IRC Log from 2011-10-11

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01:59:19 <kAlug> aloh JohnTHaller
01:59:59 <JohnTHaller> hola
02:10:00 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
02:11:27 <JohnTHaller> kAlug: btw - you know of any plans to have PAL check for .NET being installed if the app is set to need it in the AppInfo.ini?
02:13:40 <kAlug> No. I thought on doing it but I think we need a better versioning first (e.g. I'm not sure, but maybe some apps require specific service packs).
02:14:21 <kAlug> It's all right here. Some infrastructure changes in some of my projects. And you?
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02:14:31 <pa_5966> Good nightr
02:14:46 <pa_5966> can someone give me some help?
02:15:08 <pa_5966> im trying to use a portable app in w7 honme premium
02:15:42 <pa_5966> it wont start up, it will give me the little start up icon but after a sec it will vanish
02:15:55 <JohnTHaller> What app pa_5966?
02:16:06 <pa_5966> angry birds
02:16:34 <JohnTHaller> Any portable versions of Angry Birds are illegal and likely very broken
02:17:02 <pa_5966> sure,, but it will happen with any either legal or no legal
02:17:09 <pa_5966> i have photoshop as well
02:17:15 <pa_5966> this one wont work
02:17:19 <pa_5966> same with mozilla
02:17:33 <JohnTHaller> Also illegal
02:17:36 <pa_5966> no portable app will ever work
02:17:42 <pa_5966> mozilla_
02:17:43 <pa_5966> ?
02:17:46 <pa_5966> as well?
02:18:04 <JohnTHaller> If you have those other two apps, chances are you got them from an illegal site. They also have illegal and broken ripoffs of our legit apps like Firefox Portable.
02:18:22 <JohnTHaller> In short, you have to make sure you download them from PortableApps.com.
02:18:45 <pa_5966> so if i do so...
02:18:53 <pa_5966> mozilla from portable apps
02:19:05 <pa_5966> garantee it will work?
02:19:31 <JohnTHaller> Firefox Portable from PortableApps.com works on all machines 32bit or 64bit, Windows XP to Windows 8, under limited, admin or guest accounts.
02:20:18 <pa_5966> ok, seems like a pretty decent answer to me
02:20:46 <pa_5966> ill give it a try, if no working ill get back to you shortly
02:20:57 <pa_5966> thanks a lot, have good night
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02:23:20 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Any plans for 2012's April Fools' Day?
02:23:45 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Probably won't do anything on PA.c. I may do something myself though. I still haven't topped mafiaa.org
02:27:02 <kAlug> Wow... my notebook makes a loud noise at 20% CPU. At 100% it'll be a Deep Note.
02:27:19 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Do you know if .NET apps can depend on service packs?
02:29:44 <JohnTHaller> They can
02:29:55 <JohnTHaller> See here for example code: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/How_to_Detect_any_.NET_Framework
02:30:21 <JohnTHaller> You determine it by version, x.y.z, which works with that and works with the PA.c Format
02:32:08 <kAlug> I know. I meant, can they need service packs to run (i.e. should we care about them)?
02:32:22 <JohnTHaller> As I said, "They can"
02:33:02 <kAlug> OK. I got confused by the "See here for example code".
02:33:13 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, no worries. Twas a lil out of order
02:33:33 <JohnTHaller> I meant that was code so we can check for service packs. And yes, some apps (minority) require a specific patch level
02:34:12 <kAlug> OK. Can you include that on appinfo.ini?
02:34:47 <JohnTHaller> It already is.
02:35:02 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format#appinfo See Dependencies
02:35:45 <JohnTHaller> The platform will eventually assist in directing the user how to install it (if they have the rights and permission) when it encounters a .NET app
02:35:58 <kAlug> It's not clear that the service pack can be set there.
02:37:31 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'll adjust it so it is.
02:38:02 <JohnTHaller> Man I hate being sick. At least I'm not as bad as my girlfriend, though
02:42:22 <kAlug> Odd... actually, my notebook makes *less* noise at 100%?!
02:52:44 <JohnTHaller> Alright, I'm feeling progressively more awful, so I'm gonna try and get some sleep. The updater DB is updated for the new platform features, but I have one bug left: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-08-08_-_portableapps.com_platform_2.0_pre-release_3_released#comment-184582
02:56:00 <JohnTHaller> Gnight all
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05:43:58 <ChrisMorgan> *sigh* why do I never get round to making releases? I finally "got round" to releasing PAL 2.2 Beta 1, and the whole process took about five minutes.
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20:28:52 <JAWS> hi, I havent been on here for a long time ;)
20:29:36 <JAWS> how's it going everyone?!
20:29:53 <sar3th> idle lurking
20:30:00 <JAWS> huh
20:40:25 <JAWS> well, see you later everyone! ;)
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22:07:08 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: "\@"? ( http://portableapps.com/node/29462 )
22:07:34 <ChrisMorgan> It should just be a trailing slash
22:08:06 <ChrisMorgan> But then, RegistryValueBackupDelete is possibly not up to scratch.
22:08:26 <ChrisMorgan> You don't do @ because @ is a perfectly valid value name.
22:10:09 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, RegistryValueWrite deals with default value, RegistryValueBackupDelete doesn't.
22:11:41 <ChrisMorgan> I could just fix it immediately, but I'll want to test it due to the use of ${registry::MoveValue}
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22:22:01 * ChrisMorgan tries to remember whether Microsoft's INI parser does line continuation. Don't think it does.
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22:25:07 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: OK, all in hg, including release notes and a mention of the default value stuff in Manual/ref, I'll test it later.
22:26:48 <sar3th> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724356(v=VS.85).aspx
22:29:27 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: ?
22:35:15 <sar3th> http://www.ex-designz.net/apidetail.asp?api_id=246
22:36:16 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: I have an idea for handling multiple launchers (or apps that use the same Registry key) involving a kind of locking. I'll try to give you more details later.
22:36:18 <sar3th> i was trying to link to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724353(v=VS.85).aspx
22:37:53 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: doesn't say anything about line continuation, but I don't believe Microsoft's dialect supports 'em.
22:38:44 <sar3th> yes, it's not specified
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22:40:29 <sar3th> try http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms725501(v=VS.85).aspx with a string containing a line break and see what happens
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