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02:04:51 <rcmaehl> Hey
02:05:00 <rcmaehl> Did you all hear about Fedora 17?
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05:21:21 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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06:34:22 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: Not sure if it makes sense, but check this out: http://p.kalug.net/5
06:36:03 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: the problem I see with it is still just that it gets the settings in A; what would you plan to happen next time B is started first?
06:38:13 <kAlug> B just uses A's settings (after asking the user, of course); it doesn't save them, thus keeping its own settings intact.
06:38:46 <ChrisMorgan> But B has some of its own settings, too.
06:39:18 <ChrisMorgan> And B writes registry values, replaces things and does assorted other different things to what A does, just to cause trouble.
06:40:30 <kAlug> 1. The registry handling is per-key. 2. At least we've warned the user.
06:49:10 <ChrisMorgan> Once A is set up, some of the values set in this shared registry key require another registry key to have such-and-such values, but B's standard values in this key don't require the extra key, so things break.
06:49:25 <ChrisMorgan> There is plenty of scope for failure with this way of doing it.
06:52:46 <kAlug> OK. Forget the locking. But warn the user we can mess with A's settings.
06:53:53 <ChrisMorgan> But it's certainly more straightforward than what I had been thinking of, which was basically having apps register what they'll do with us so that they all do the same thing, and store data in a CommonData folder.
06:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> Nevertheless, I can still see problems in the implementation; in particular, when we *do* have things like a FileWriteN section on the reg file, how should we do it? I'm thinking it'd probably be easiest to detect and update the filename in [FileWriteN] and [LanguageFile] sections. Sound right?
06:58:54 <kAlug> Yes, I guess..
07:03:24 <ChrisMorgan> Have you thought about applying an approximation of this technique in other sections, such as files/folders?
07:08:05 <kAlug> No. I was thinking one step per time.
07:09:16 <kAlug> I'm going to add .NET version check support. It's going to be a bit complex.
07:09:43 <kAlug> ...maybe not.
07:12:00 <ChrisMorgan> Then, personally I'm inclined to tackle shared [DirectoriesMove] first, for SVN's benefit. What do you think? What existing cases are there where shared [RegistryKey] support would be helpful?
07:15:17 <kAlug> Hmm... how are we going to handle crashes?
07:21:10 <ChrisMorgan> Same as we do at present. It's just that the directory/file/key lives is in a different location to the app's own Data directory.
07:22:02 <ChrisMorgan> Tea time now, should be back later
07:22:16 <kAlug> Well, in this case, start with [DirectoriesMove].
07:23:27 <kAlug> Existing cases? None, AFAIK. Coming? I know a few.
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13:15:27 <pa_0940> how do i unstall
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18:25:52 <pa_6808> help
18:25:52 <GizmoBot> pa_6808: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
18:26:17 <pa_6808> ok i type slow
18:26:40 <pa_6808> hi thank you for helping
18:30:26 <pa_6808> i have a workbook in calc and montly i make a new tab and rename for the current month but i made a mistake and deleted the info from the prior month and renamed that tab i would like to recover that sheet if it's possible, i have not used the flash drive since.
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18:46:11 <kAlug> pa_6808: I don't think that's possible.
18:47:14 <kAlug> pa_6808: But maybe... hold on.
18:49:37 <pa_6808> let me rephrase that
18:49:56 <pa_6808> I have a workbook with spreadsheets, each month I copy the previous months tab and rename the new tab with the current month and deleting most of the info in it to start the new month. My problem is I did not make a new tab, and deleted the info I needed. I saved and closed my PApps and have not used it since Is there any way to go back and recover that sheet?
18:50:16 <kAlug> At file level, no.
18:50:36 <pa_6808> I'm sorry?
18:51:22 <pa_6808> kalug what does that mean
18:51:27 <kAlug> File recovery tools won't work, so doesn't matter if you haven't used the drive.
18:52:02 <kAlug> But I think LibreOffice does have a way to do it. Open the file and click File->Versions...
18:52:16 <pa_6808> I see because i tried to use recova
18:53:00 <kAlug> Recuva would work if the file hasn't been modified.
18:53:35 <pa_6808> i see thanks for the explanation
18:53:52 <pa_6808> about libreoffice
18:54:26 <kAlug> OpenOffice does have that too, I don't know which one you're using...
18:54:43 <pa_6808> openoffice calc
18:55:21 <kAlug> Ah. It's the same menu item.
18:55:57 <pa_6808> I'm not sure what to do
18:57:41 <kAlug> Does it shows something like this? http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:CG3Ch11F15a.png
18:57:49 <kAlug> Is there any existing versions?
19:00:06 <pa_6808> wow where did you find that?
19:00:25 <pa_6808> I can put in my flash drive now and see
19:00:38 <kAlug> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Calc_Guide/Saving_versions
19:02:26 <pa_6808> ok i will look on my flash drive right now, kalug thank you
19:03:16 <kAlug> You're welcome.
19:04:01 <kAlug> In the end of that link it shows how to restore previous versions.
19:06:35 <pa_6808> ok please dont go away
19:07:25 <kAlug> OK.
19:08:38 <pa_6808> i put in my flash-drive and started calc untitled doc came up and versions is grayed out should i open my saved spreadsheet now?
19:08:54 <kAlug> Yes.
19:09:43 <kAlug> Let's hope it's saving new versions when the spreadsheet is saved.
19:16:02 <pa_6808> ohh my friend, I see the check box for always save a version on closing,unfortunately I do not have any saved, but because of you I will now save previous versions on exit. :)
19:20:25 <pa_6808> i believe this would have saved the day, well live and learn, guess i can start using this flash drive again as there seems to be no hope other than to restore a prior saved version.
19:22:20 <kAlug> That's a pity. But yes, I don't think there is other way.
19:22:40 <kAlug> I hope everything goes well for you from today.
19:25:17 <pa_6808> kAlug it will because of you, thanks again
19:26:18 <pa_6808> signing off in one minute
19:28:54 <kAlug> pa_6808: was a pleasure to help you.
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23:58:50 <pa_4436> hi
23:59:24 <pa_4436> Are there any admins for portable apps here?