IRC Log from 2011-12-06
00:14:15 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: do you have a Vista VM or Vista machine?
00:16:39 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
00:17:12 <JohnTHaller> I do yes
00:17:13 <JohnTHaller> hi guys
00:17:20 <JohnTHaller> (i'll be in and out, eating dinner)
00:17:39 <GordCaswell> thanks for pr5 - i'm looking forward to 10 :)
00:17:43 <ZachThibeau> John, I figured out why PChat was crashing all the time, seems the gtk release team released a bad copy of the latest gtk runtime for windows
00:18:39 <ZachThibeau> I reverted to gtk 2.16 compiled PChat against that and no more crashing, doing a round of testing and will be doing a dev test of 1.5 (added a few things in my code base to do the version bump)
00:19:58 <GordCaswell> I'm looking for testing of Pingus Portable, if you can, after the release of 10, of course - my Vista VM keeps crashing when I try to run it (Pingus), and without corroboration from someone else, I can't tell if this is an issue with Vista or simply with my VM. Not surprisingly, no one else seems to have Vista
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00:34:23 <kAlug> howdy JohnTHaller
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01:41:01 <agdurrette> Hello
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01:45:37 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Are you there?
02:15:12 * agdurrette cant wait till the usb drives come out :O :D
02:16:20 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Good to hear about PChat.
02:16:48 <JohnTHaller> .tell GorCaswell Yes, I have a working Vista VM we can use post release.
02:16:48 <GizmoBot> JohnTHaller: I'll pass that on when GorCaswell is around.
02:16:55 <JohnTHaller> hi kAlug :)
02:17:25 <kAlug> hey JohnTHaller
02:17:26 <JohnTHaller> agdurrette: They're pretty nice. I have a couple of them already and like them. We tested out 6 different case designs before settling on the one we liked.
02:18:07 <JohnTHaller> how goes it?
02:19:15 <kAlug> Good. Almost on vacation from school.
02:19:44 <agdurrette> shool.... :/
02:20:10 <kAlug> Two questions: 1. I have a couple VMs dedicated to testing portable apps. Should I keep them updated, and then disable Windows Update while testing? Or keep them frozen after setup?
02:20:57 * kAlug now has three questions...
02:21:35 <JohnTHaller> I snapshot mine and disable windows update. Then I return to the clean snapshot after each test. Once a month, I start from the clean snapshot, update, and then save that as the new clean snapshot.
02:21:49 <JohnTHaller> I only do the updates that are offered automatically, never optional ones.
02:23:44 <kAlug> ok. Thanks. Now #2: http://portableapps.com/node/28595#comment-187052 (referring to PAP -> Options -> App List Organization)
02:24:40 <agdurrette> .... I need to set up some VMs do y'all use VirtualBox or something else?
02:25:23 <kAlug> agdurrette: Go with VirtualBox. It's easy and fast.
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02:36:29 <GizmoBot> ...
02:37:02 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: I got your tell in the logs. You missed a letter in my nick, so it's a good thing i check them :)
02:38:15 <GordCaswell> What brand are the drives, John, or is that one of the secrets you're holding until release?
02:39:06 <JohnTHaller> They use the same internals as one of the big 5 brands, but it's our own drive done with a partner.
02:39:16 <GordCaswell> oh, ok
02:40:47 <JohnTHaller> We benchmarked them ourselves, so we have real specs on them. Up to 85MB/s read 45 MB/s write on USB3. 37+MB/s read, 28 MB/s write on USB2 (basically max supported by the protocol after overhead).
02:41:15 <GordCaswell> sweet! I'm definitely gonna get one once they're available.
02:41:28 <JohnTHaller> And random 4k writes are about 4-5 times as fast on USB2 as all the other USB2 retail drives I tested it against (including my old fast one, the Kingston HyperX 8GB USB2 I have)
02:41:49 <GordCaswell> I'd also sponsor right now, But i'm broke till friday. Are you still taking sponsorships post-release? Or just generic donations?
02:41:50 <gluxon> Awesome :D
02:42:29 <gluxon> This was probably already asked, but I'm assuming they don't have PortableApps.com branding?
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02:42:41 <JohnTHaller> Unlike the standard retail ones, ours also have a lifetime warranty on em. As well as a 30 day return policy with free return shipping.
02:42:52 <JohnTHaller> They are indeed PortableApps.com branded :)
02:43:05 <gluxon> Sweet! :O
02:43:37 <gluxon> Out of curiosity, how many sponsors have we gotten?
02:43:42 <GordCaswell> What kind of sizes? Not physical, virtual
02:43:58 <JohnTHaller> I've been working with these guys for a couple years now. And we've been working on these new drives in earnest for a couple months. We'll be able to launch at 8, 16 and 32GB with 63 and 128 (and possibly 256) coming in another 3+ months.
02:44:18 <JohnTHaller> 63 should be 64 of course.
02:44:32 <GordCaswell> nice!
02:44:35 <gluxon> 256 GB? Really?
02:45:06 <gluxon> That's more than 4x my hard drive capacity :-/
02:45:11 <JohnTHaller> All depends on upstream manufacturing. But we should definitely have 64 and 128 within 6 mos. We may do a more custom case at that point, too.
02:45:42 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: I was thinking on designing a PortableApps.com ad for this: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/12/free-vote-based-advertising-launches-fourth-round/
02:45:46 <JohnTHaller> We could have done the 64 and 128 now but we'd have had to use a double-size case for it, which is less portable and not as good looking. So we decided to wait.
02:46:45 <JohnTHaller> I'm pretty happy with it, personally. I use the 32GB one as my drive now. It's got my name laser etched on it :)
02:47:08 <agdurrette> :D
02:47:42 <agdurrette> I would pre-order if I could :D
02:49:29 <JohnTHaller> We even went back and forth a couple times on the font to use for the laser etching, just to ensure it wasn't too big and looked cheap :)
02:54:03 <agdurrette> Any chance of a picture
02:54:38 <JohnTHaller> The tin is actually pretty nice, too. I'm hoping people will give them as gifts. Nice metal tin with a see-through window with the drive in it with custom-cut foam protecting it.
02:56:14 <JohnTHaller> I think I may wait until tomorrow to show them off, just so we can get everybody's reactions in the thread :)
02:56:48 <gluxon> I can't wait that long :P
02:56:54 <agdurrette> :|
02:59:01 <ZachThibeau> oh are we talking about the new thumb drives that was mentioned in the email newsletter?
02:59:16 <JohnTHaller> Hehe. What do you guys think of the "World's Best Flash Drive" part of it?
02:59:20 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: yup
02:59:23 <agdurrette> What time will you show them? utc -05:00, JTH - or + a few hours or more :P
02:59:32 <ZachThibeau> that's cool
02:59:46 <ZachThibeau> I'll have to grab one when I get the time and money
02:59:49 <agdurrette> I like it
02:59:59 <JohnTHaller> Sometime tomorrow likely. We're finishing up the insert with the warranty information now. Just added the free return shipping today.
03:00:20 <JohnTHaller> They start at under 40 bucks, ZachThibeau
03:00:32 <gluxon> And that's for the 8GB, right?
03:00:38 <JohnTHaller> yup
03:00:48 <ZachThibeau> I'll definitely keep that in mind
03:00:55 <gluxon> Good deal :P
03:00:59 <gluxon> Hm... do you think we'll see these drives in retail stores in a year or two?
03:01:08 <agdurrette> will there be any stickers with them?
03:01:08 <JohnTHaller> It includes the cool packaging and the laser etching, too. So you get a PA.c drive with your name on it :)
03:01:33 <JohnTHaller> No stickers. We don't have any yet. I should start doing those soon, though.
03:02:58 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Well, I'm really looking forward to tommorow now. Thanks for answering those questions. :)
03:02:59 <gluxon> Bye.
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03:05:33 <ZachThibeau> yeah anyways for PChat it was definetly the gtk libraries causing the issues, I've submitted a ticket with them, so far though it looks like I'm not the only one noticing the issues
03:06:42 <JohnTHaller> cool
03:08:38 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: can you tell me the start and stop colors of the website header's gradient?
03:09:21 <ZachThibeau> got some more progress in 2.0, just taking some time to get even the littlest thing as myself and my team are working at getting a few things completed core level wise
03:09:48 <JohnTHaller> Not offhand, no, you'll have to grab em and eyedropper the image
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03:20:14 <GordCaswell> Finally got my Vista VM working! I had to reinstall the VHD from scratch to do it, but it finally works correctly. Unless you have an x64 VM of Vista, JohnTHaller, I won't be needing your assistance after all. Thanks, though!
03:20:25 <JohnTHaller> No, just a 32
03:21:38 <GordCaswell> Ya, me too. But if it works on 32, and I've verified it works on 7 x86 and x86_64, we don't really need to test for Vista 64-bit support, do we?
03:33:18 <JohnTHaller> Usually if it's busted on Vista x64, it's busted on Win7 x64 as they have similar security and other setups that can interfere with things
03:34:16 <GordCaswell> That's what I figured.
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03:45:00 <kAlug> hey folks, please check these ads: http://temp.kalug.net/PortableApps.com%20Community%20Ad.png and http://temp.kalug.net/PortableApps.com%20Ad%20for%20StackExchange.png
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03:46:19 <JohnTHaller> Snag the new logo: http://portableapps.com/about
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03:48:53 <kAlug> That first design is a bit outdated.
04:05:17 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: as per this link, did something change in the new app feed? It's currently showing all apps, whether they're new or not
04:05:30 <GordCaswell> err... portableapps.com/node/29932
04:07:47 <JohnTHaller> That's not the new app feed. That was ditched a while ago. Outdated page
04:08:10 <GordCaswell> ah, ok. It was pointed to by mistake then
04:08:11 <JohnTHaller> New apps are here: http://portableapps.com/news/new But as we haven't restarted app updates, we don't link to it at the moment
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04:10:40 <GordCaswell> It looks like Pingus is ready to go - when are you planning to restart new app releases?
04:11:08 <JohnTHaller> This month. Gonna work on the Drupal update again post launch
04:11:36 <GordCaswell> K, sounds good
04:12:56 <kAlug> Ad updated: http://temp.kalug.net/PortableApps.com%20Community%20Ad%202.png (maybe change text font?)
04:13:45 <JohnTHaller> Never a fan of script fonts
04:14:17 <kAlug> The other fonts I have here look so boring...
04:16:01 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: once you get some time, could you please review the facts on this article: http://temp.kalug.net/creating_a_portable_app/02_community.md ?
04:18:21 <GordCaswell> I'd prefer dropping the entire bit after the logo, in favour of something like "Join now", keeping it simple. Simply because the requirements state the ad must be soliciting contributions, not just a generic ad for the site
04:19:39 <kAlug> They do?
04:20:59 <JohnTHaller> Ping me with it later kalug? via email maybe? I don't have the time to even write it down right now. :) crunch time
04:21:19 <kAlug> ok.
04:22:14 <kAlug> GordCaswell: I see. Actually I was designing it towards SuperUser. Perhaps another dev-oriented ad?
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04:59:01 <ZachThibeau> I got to stop having ideas for PChat 2.0 lol
05:03:37 <ZachThibeau> and the idea was dbdii407's fault
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13:39:57 <pa_5550> Hi, anyone free to answer a few questions about the security of the web browsers portableapps.com provides?
13:42:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you want to know?
13:42:47 <pa_5550> One minute, TPFC-SYSTEM, this will take a while to type out. Thanks for the response.
13:46:45 <pa_5550> If I were to launch the browsers from an encrypted virtual drive, would all data be saved within that virtual drive? That is, would someone be be able to access any user data (even using recovery tools), without decrypting the volume in which the browser is stored?
13:47:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> These browsers save data temporarily in local directories and delete that data after exit.
13:48:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That is, the data can be seen with recovery tools.
13:49:12 <pa_5550> Is there any way to avoid this, or would a full overwrite of all free space on the drive have to be performed after each use of the tool?
13:49:27 <pa_5550> Of the browser, that is.
13:51:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think that "full overwrite of all free space" is the only truly safe option. :(
14:00:06 <pa_5550> Okay, thanks for the help. I'll hang around in case you or any other users have any ideas on how this may be avoided, but I guess I'll need to look for another solution. It seems surprisingly hard to find a way of browsing that doesn't leave personal information behind on the computer in a manner that anyone can access.
14:01:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Indeed.
14:17:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Zach pointed out that these portable browsers (at least Firefox Portable) use command-line switches internally to redirect the profile somewhere else.
14:18:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That is, they save locally significantly less information than the entire profile.
14:19:01 <ZachThibeau> so you data/profile with firefoxportable are saved to your data folder on your usb thumb drive
14:21:21 <ZachThibeau> hey XhmikosR
14:21:46 <ZachThibeau> didn't see you there right away
14:27:03 <XhmikosR> Hey ZachThibeau
14:27:46 <ZachThibeau> long time since I saw you on irc
14:28:27 <XhmikosR> yeah
14:28:59 <XhmikosR> you know, like I said in my email the other day
14:29:25 <ZachThibeau> I do indeed, that must of been real tough
14:30:37 <ZachThibeau> well glad to see you anyways
14:32:01 <pa_5550> Thanks. Even if some of the user data is stored unencrypted, I'd assume there is still the potential for the compromise of confidential information. Just to clarify, I was intending to use the browser exclusively from one computer and for the application to be stored on it; the reason I was looking at portable versions was because I thought all user data might be contained within the virtual drive I was launching it from.
14:32:54 <ZachThibeau> so somewhat along the lines of a networked drive
14:33:03 <ZachThibeau> but encrypted
14:33:25 <XhmikosR> I was trying to get Winpenguins to work on x64 windows with no success though
14:33:26 <pa_5550> An encrypted local volume, mounted as a drive.
14:33:31 <ZachThibeau> well maybe not a networked drive but a mounted virtual drive
14:33:39 <XhmikosR> I managed to build it for x64 but it still doesn't work
14:34:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_5550: There indeed is the potential that confidential information is saved locally and eventually compromised.
14:34:33 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The risk should be low, though.
14:34:59 <ZachThibeau> XhmikosR: I had a tough time with gtk, had to revert to gtk 2.16, seems the 2.2x line is buggy and crashes on ntdll and msvcrt, at first I thought it was compiler related but visual studio compile of PChat using those gtk produced the same issue
14:36:17 <XhmikosR> yesh 2.24 isn't any good
14:37:10 <ZachThibeau> and I moved from svn to mercurial, actually 2 mercurial repositories one for PChat 2.0 development and the other back to original c PChat 1.x line
14:43:44 <XhmikosR> mercurial is good enough I guess
14:43:52 <XhmikosR> easier than git and better than svn
14:44:26 <XhmikosR> I wonder what's going to happen with my LBreakout build
14:44:42 <XhmikosR> it's been posted in the forums but not released yet
14:46:18 <ZachThibeau> knowing John he probably forgot about it, lately things have been rather busy, especially with working with this one particular flash drive vender for a portableapps.com branded flash drive
14:46:46 <XhmikosR> btw, lto is in better shape in 4.6.2
14:46:52 <XhmikosR> still broken with SSE
14:47:10 <XhmikosR> if you use -mfpath=sse lto breaks completely
14:47:28 <XhmikosR> the last working gcc with lto was 4.5.3 for me]
14:47:47 <ZachThibeau> I've noticed something was funky with lto
14:47:59 <ZachThibeau> I've stopped using it altogether personally
14:48:05 <XhmikosR> yeah me too
14:48:28 <ZachThibeau> I've been building my toolchains using the mingw-w64 crt personally
14:48:29 <XhmikosR> for example if you try to build x264 with lto it will be 50% slower due to sse being disabled during lto
14:48:37 <XhmikosR> I actually wanted to do that too
14:48:46 <XhmikosR> but I need a fully working script :P
14:48:54 <XhmikosR> which will download and build everything
14:49:13 <ZachThibeau> I download manually lol
14:49:17 <ZachThibeau> and compile it
14:49:21 <XhmikosR> too much hassle :P
14:49:35 <ZachThibeau> for the likes of it I couldn't get it compiled with gcc 4.7 with windows as my host
14:49:35 <XhmikosR> I gad a working script a ywar ago but I lost it
14:49:48 <ZachThibeau> but as a linux cross compiler it compiled flawlessly
14:49:51 <XhmikosR> *gad=had
14:49:59 <ZachThibeau> I was like wtf lol
14:50:05 <XhmikosR> I'm actually more insterested in cross compiling gcc
14:50:13 <XhmikosR> since it should be much easier than on win
14:50:25 <ZachThibeau> building it on linux is much easier
14:50:45 <ZachThibeau> especially since you have all the tools you need generally (especially if you are an archlinux user)
14:51:09 <XhmikosR> I use Linux Mint in a vm
14:51:30 <XhmikosR> but since I upgraded to an i72600 VMs are like hosts :)
14:51:34 <ZachThibeau> I try and stay away from debian based linux os's
14:51:43 <XhmikosR> I don't use the debian based distro
14:51:54 <XhmikosR> I use the gnome one
14:51:55 <ZachThibeau> Linux mint is debian based
14:52:02 <ZachThibeau> well
14:52:10 <ZachThibeau> more or less it's debian based
14:52:15 <XhmikosR> there are various flavors, but I still prefer the gnome one
14:52:26 <ZachThibeau> it's based off ubuntu which in turn is based off of debian
14:53:01 <ZachThibeau> I like archlinux as it allows for the end user to setup what they want
14:53:14 <ZachThibeau> so if I want gnome then I install that
14:53:16 <ZachThibeau> etc
14:55:27 <ZachThibeau> I've been using wdk to build PChat recently but based off of xchat-wdk build system, I've added your changes etc you suggested to bvictor but just wondering if you ever did anything more with the makefile system or do you not have that anymore?
14:56:27 <XhmikosR> no but I can have a look soonish
14:56:39 <XhmikosR> do not use that guy's system
14:56:40 <ZachThibeau> lol loves how he calls your build a "fake" xD, he's just jealous imho
14:56:52 <XhmikosR> well I have done my reading for sure
14:56:56 <XhmikosR> he hasn't
14:57:13 <XhmikosR> the most stupid thing of all is /Ox
14:57:27 <XhmikosR> so many people who code believe that /Ox is better
14:57:49 <XhmikosR> anyways, I need to set up a local repo before playing around with pchat
14:58:03 <XhmikosR> if I'm going to do it I will make it final
14:58:09 <XhmikosR> build the plugins also etc
14:58:27 <ZachThibeau> this is where https://bitbucket.org/ZachThibeau/pchat-dev 1.x line is stored there
14:58:30 <XhmikosR> but don't expect it soon
14:58:34 <ZachThibeau> no worries
14:59:03 <XhmikosR> downloading the src
14:59:04 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on a few things myself, doing some reading myself
14:59:27 <XhmikosR> wth are those changes
14:59:34 <XhmikosR> this is xchat-wdk all over again
14:59:46 <XhmikosR> where is my lovely IS setup?
15:00:01 <ZachThibeau> it's in the 2.0 repository
15:00:25 <ZachThibeau> https://bitbucket.org/ZachThibeau/pchat-irc
15:01:01 <ZachThibeau> I've been doing some stuff locally that I haven't uploaded yet
15:01:12 <XhmikosR> you shouldn't do this kind of changes regarding the installers
15:01:19 <XhmikosR> choose one to use and live with that
15:01:28 <XhmikosR> going from one installer to another leaves crap behind
15:01:34 <XhmikosR> and we did that transition once
15:01:55 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on it, like I said I have some changes that I'm working on that I haven't commited yet
15:01:59 <XhmikosR> anyway I;ll see what I can do
15:02:32 <XhmikosR> so
15:02:40 <XhmikosR> the svn repo doesn't work anymore?
15:03:17 <XhmikosR> I prefer to use that instead
15:03:32 <ZachThibeau> it works but I was getting tired of some stuff with svn and I was working with mercurial and decided to make the change
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15:06:07 <pa_4237> can you get an updated version of teamviewer? you have v 6 and they're up to v 7.
15:06:46 <pa_4237> rigth now, i can't use it to connect to my home computer because of version incompatibility..but at work, I cannot access other sites that have teamviewer portable 7.
15:07:04 <pa_4237> so thought i'd ask here. but you guys should have the most update version on anyway.
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15:09:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_4237: TeamViewer is in list of outdated applications.
15:09:21 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.com/node/19705
15:11:10 <pa_4237> what does that mean- someone is eventually going to get the udpated version?
15:11:32 <pa_4237> i see it available on other download sites..it's just my work comptuer has restrictions to access all the othe download sites.
15:11:40 <pa_4237> i how portableapps.com will get it soon.
15:11:42 <XhmikosR> ZachThibeau: can you try this patch? http://pastebin.com/KSHhgrwn
15:11:47 <TPFC-SYSTEM> TeamViewer Portable will be updated when it's ready.
15:12:52 <pa_4237> that's too compolicated for me..have no idea what to do with it. ok, well upate it when you can. it's annoying they don't make their program backwards compatible.
15:12:53 <pa_4237> thanks.
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15:13:29 <ZachThibeau> XhmikosR: another thing is that I'm working on getting some of the xchat-wdk changes reverted, I mainly wanted the build system, so I'm removing a considerable amount of code changes like xtray mode etc
15:13:46 <ZachThibeau> and yeah I'll give it a try
15:13:56 <XhmikosR> I still haven't set up my build env yet
15:14:18 <ZachThibeau> no I'm just saying for the record
15:15:52 <XhmikosR> compilation is broken
15:15:53 <ZachThibeau> one thing I did was add co-routines to PChat using libco
15:16:14 <XhmikosR> H:\progs\Compiling\pchat-irc\src\common\ctcp.cpp|157|error: 'nullptr' was not declared in this scope|
15:16:16 <XhmikosR> etc
15:16:16 <ZachThibeau> using what the project files?
15:16:20 <ZachThibeau> ah
15:16:42 <ZachThibeau> those changes I haven't reverted and that's error is also because you need -std=gnu++0x
15:16:57 <ZachThibeau> it's in the makefiles
15:17:03 <XhmikosR> can you update the cbp project
15:17:15 <ZachThibeau> I'm working towards removing the project files actually
15:17:26 <ZachThibeau> well at least the codeblocks one
15:17:46 <XhmikosR> I disagree since an IDE is handy
15:18:43 <ZachThibeau> I tell you want I'll just revert the nullptr back to standard NULL (that was back when I was attempting c++11 standardization but gave up) and the project file shouldn't need modification at all
15:19:13 <XhmikosR> ok I added -std=gnu++0x in the cbp
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15:20:31 <XhmikosR> now the the plugins nightmare
15:21:41 <ZachThibeau> I have setup an additional plugin sasl but I haven't included the source as I'm waiting on the author to give me a reply about including it with PChat
15:21:55 <XhmikosR> perl is broken for me
15:22:01 <XhmikosR> which perl version did you use?
15:22:21 <ZachThibeau> I mainly used strawberry perl
15:22:26 <XhmikosR> 5.12 works
15:22:29 <XhmikosR> 5.14 doesn't for me
15:22:46 <ZachThibeau> probably because I didn't keep up to date with the plugins
15:23:04 <ZachThibeau> been busy with some ideas for 2.0 and libPChat
15:24:04 <XhmikosR> ok everything is set
15:24:57 <ZachThibeau> one of the ideas I'm toying with is slimming the core down and refactoring it a bit
15:25:21 <ZachThibeau> IE like move some of the config code to the interface level etc
15:25:55 <ZachThibeau> leaving only the main irc functions like dcc etc as the main core functions while the interface does the rest
15:27:24 <ZachThibeau> and these ideas is one of the reasons I split PChat into 2 repositories
15:29:08 <XhmikosR> ok committed the first changes
15:29:43 <XhmikosR> note that you can use IS Ansi to save a few bytes
15:30:56 <ZachThibeau> cool
15:31:18 <XhmikosR> ok so is the svn up to date with mercurial?
15:31:26 <XhmikosR> if not can you backport the changes?
15:31:38 <XhmikosR> after that I'll try to update my wdk patch
15:31:58 <ZachThibeau> no since I moved to mercurial I haven't touched svn in a while
15:33:46 <XhmikosR> can you bring it up to date?
15:34:21 <ZachThibeau> yeah just let me finish my nullptr to NULL changes and I'll backport it for you
15:34:37 <XhmikosR> forgot to add that switch in the cbp
15:35:31 <ZachThibeau> no need to include it if I'm reverting nullptr to NULL
15:35:52 <XhmikosR> ok then when you are done let me know
15:36:28 <ZachThibeau> while c++11 is nice and nullptr is less buggy than NULL it's still light years before any compiler (namely visual studio) catches up
15:36:48 <ZachThibeau> btw in your patch for the installer
15:36:49 <ZachThibeau> while IsModuleLoaded('Notepad2.exe') and (iMsgBoxResult <> IDCANCEL) do begin
15:37:02 <ZachThibeau> I assume you mean PChat.exe
15:38:39 <XhmikosR> the right one is committed in the svn
15:38:44 <ZachThibeau> ok
15:40:00 <XhmikosR> don;t know why but my wdk patch doesn't work
15:40:05 <XhmikosR> something is different
15:42:13 <XhmikosR> I'm gonna move every build related file in root\build
15:42:14 <ZachThibeau> something different than before?
15:42:19 <ZachThibeau> ok
15:42:21 <XhmikosR> except for your makefiles
15:42:47 <XhmikosR> but first you have to backport the changes from mercurial
15:42:55 <XhmikosR> otherwise it will be a conflict-fest :P
15:43:22 <ZachThibeau> lol
15:43:34 <ZachThibeau> well I'll brb I'm gonna refill my coffee cup
15:46:49 <ZachThibeau> back and almost done the changes in the common folder
15:48:50 <XhmikosR> I don't get why it fails
15:48:56 <XhmikosR> the dirs are right
15:49:07 <XhmikosR> COMMON_DIR = ..\src\common
15:49:07 <XhmikosR> FEGTK_DIR = ..\src\fe-gtk
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15:53:11 <XhmikosR> hmm
15:53:14 <XhmikosR> found it
15:53:19 <XhmikosR> {$(COMMON_DIR)}.c{$(OBJDIR)}.obj::
15:53:19 <XhmikosR> cl $(CFLAGS) /Tc $<
15:53:26 <XhmikosR> no .c agaian
15:54:25 <XhmikosR> and nullptr all over the place
15:56:38 <ZachThibeau> which is why I'm reverting, in visual studio c++11 isn't fully supported heck c++99 isn't that fully supported in it
15:56:48 <XhmikosR> ok
15:57:02 <XhmikosR> I updated the patch but I still need to use it
15:57:06 <XhmikosR> before committign it
15:58:42 <ZachThibeau> hey XhmikosR how good are you working with singly linked lists?
15:58:52 <XhmikosR> not sure I follow
16:00:15 <ZachThibeau> well gslist is gtk's way of implimenting singly linked lists and what we are trying to do is in common to remove gtk/glib based functions with pure c/c++ functions
16:00:44 <XhmikosR> I have no idea about that, sorry
16:00:50 <ZachThibeau> no worries
16:05:01 <ZachThibeau> almost done the changes
16:05:16 <XhmikosR> I joined #pchat btw
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