IRC Log from 2011-12-10
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01:07:33 <pa_4013> Portable Apps 10 will not load onto my USB as my Sophus antivirus software keeps detecting a virus even when I turn Sophos off
01:09:08 <pa_4013> Can anyone advise what I might try?
01:11:05 <pa_4013> Mir
01:12:45 <pa_4013> HELP as above
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01:19:17 <Mir> why the fuck do they call my name out
01:19:23 <Mir> why?
01:19:29 <Mir> T-T
01:25:45 <agdurrette> :D
01:26:55 <Mir> sup agdurrette
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01:27:08 <Mir> D:
01:27:13 <pa_4013> Mir can you help?
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01:27:23 <Mir> yes
01:27:33 <Mir> what tentecle monstor do you want :D
01:27:42 <Mir> he he he he
01:28:45 <agdurrette> O.0
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02:05:00 <kAlug> pa_2507: Do you need help?
02:05:53 <AlleyKat> hi kAlug
02:06:00 <AlleyKat> keep up the good work :)
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02:06:48 <kAlug> hi AlleyKat
02:06:53 <kAlug> Thanks
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02:41:49 <ZachThibeau> hello ChrisMorgan
02:42:15 <ZachThibeau> seems I'm diving into python programming now
02:45:29 <kAlug> wow... hello ChrisMorgan
02:45:46 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, yeah...
02:45:48 <kAlug> I haven't noticed you.
02:45:51 <ChrisMorgan> I know, I know...
02:48:25 * ZachThibeau notices
02:49:39 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: yeah I'm diving into python as I now working as project maintainer for keryx now since Chris Oliver doesn't have enough time for it, so I guess I'm becoming a jack of all trades, master of none
02:50:48 <kAlug> ZachThibeau: Remember when I said yesterday that I was going to make PuTTY truly portable?
02:50:59 <ZachThibeau> kAlug: any success?
02:51:24 <kAlug> Well... it was a lot easier than I first thought.
02:51:30 <ZachThibeau> cool
02:51:41 <ZachThibeau> I suggest making a patch and sending it to the original developer
02:52:10 <kAlug> Yes, unlike others, I tried to make it in such a way it can be added to the original code.
02:54:55 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: what do you mean by making it truly portable?
02:55:29 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: making it write to an ini file instead of the windows registry
02:55:37 <kAlug> Thanks Zach
02:55:39 <ChrisMorgan> I thought that most likely. Good idea.
02:56:35 <kAlug> And also make the INI and the random seed file located (sic?) by environment variables.
02:56:53 <ZachThibeau> kAlug: attempt that with 7-Zip next :P
02:57:44 <kAlug> Let me check if the code is available online...
02:58:12 <ChrisMorgan> I hope the environment variables are prefixed with "PuTTY" or similar?
02:58:30 <ZachThibeau> hmm speaking of which code, I wonder if John Bently ever worked on Xenon 2.0 more?
02:59:14 <kAlug> Yep. PUTTY_CONFIG_FILE and PUTTY_RANDOM_SEED_FILE, IIRC.
03:01:01 <kAlug> Hmm... we have a problem: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/config-locations.html
03:06:48 <kAlug> Do you folks think we should care with sysadmin's preferences with regards to portable apps?
03:09:39 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: http://portableapps.com/node/29458#comment-187415
03:10:52 <ZachThibeau> probably wouldn't hurt to try
03:11:11 <ZachThibeau> and probably get's your patch more accepted if done that way
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03:13:41 <tripflex> aloha!
03:13:57 <tripflex> is there a way to add standalone installed apps to the portableapps menu?
03:14:11 <kAlug> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
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03:16:01 <tripflex> yeah i tried that
03:16:13 <tripflex> portable apps is installed to x:/portableapps/
03:16:18 <kAlug> hello GordCaswell
03:16:21 <tripflex> all the standlone ones i installed where installed under that directory
03:16:31 <tripflex> so x:/portableapps/app1
03:16:36 <ZachThibeau> did you refresh the platform
03:16:36 <tripflex> but when i refresh nothing shows up
03:16:43 <GordCaswell> hi kAlug
03:16:43 <ZachThibeau> interesting
03:16:44 <tripflex> i used the "refresh icons"
03:16:59 <kAlug> Where is the executable file?
03:17:13 <tripflex> just a for instance
03:17:14 <tripflex> F:\PortableApps\DiffpdfPortable
03:17:26 <tripflex> the .exe is in that folder
03:18:08 <kAlug> Hmm... odd. What version of the Platform are you using?
03:18:11 <tripflex> is there another way to refresh?
03:18:22 <tripflex> latest version just downloaded it today
03:18:27 <ZachThibeau> close and restarting the paltform
03:18:31 <tripflex> got my new 64gb flash drive :D
03:18:32 <ZachThibeau> **platform
03:20:36 <tripflex> http://prntscr.com/4iz2s
03:20:40 <tripflex> tried but didn't work
03:20:52 <tripflex> maybe i need to put it in the root of the flash drive?
03:22:54 <tripflex> ahaha durrrr
03:22:59 <tripflex> i think i know why
03:23:39 <tripflex> yeah i got it
03:23:45 <ChrisMorgan> tripflex: you've installed to X:\PortableApps. You should have installed to X:.
03:23:47 <tripflex> haha because i didn't put it under root of flash
03:23:49 <tripflex> yeah
03:24:03 <tripflex> so i put everything under f:\portableapps\portableapps\
03:24:04 <tripflex> and it worked
03:24:07 <tripflex> :-\
03:24:25 <tripflex> how can i keep this directory structure and have PA autostart?
03:26:19 <GordCaswell> autostart has been disabled by Microsoft
03:26:34 <ZachThibeau> under windows vista through 7 (and with a certain update for xp) autostart yes as GordCaswell said it's disabled
03:29:42 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: on the PuTTY config matter, I'd say for submitting an initial patch start with it just using disk if you tell it to. That way it won't interfere at all, leaving the field open for further improvements in line with that wishlist entry.
03:30:16 <GordCaswell> kAlug: can you join -ot or -dev?
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03:33:18 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: The current patch uses a compile-time choice. I'll eventually need to work on a new abstraction layer to handle multiple config sources. I'll put this info in the patch.
03:33:29 <tripflex> hm that's stupid
03:33:34 <tripflex> just another reason for me to not like MS
03:33:55 <tripflex> there's gotta be a way around it
03:34:08 <ChrisMorgan> tripflex: it's for security.
03:39:35 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: I've .NET support for PAL ready. However, I wanted to do some reorganization in the header files in Other\Source before landing it, allowing us mainly to distinguish those we maintain from those from external sources.
03:40:21 <ChrisMorgan> Shifting them to an Includes directory?
03:41:08 <kAlug> Yes. And Somehow marking them. See the link I posted before.
03:41:33 <ChrisMorgan> I think just having a single extra Includes directory is enough.
03:41:41 <ChrisMorgan> What do you reckon about ones like CheckForPlatformSplashDisable.nsh, though?
03:42:30 <kAlug> One sec, I'll switch to my notebook.
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03:46:01 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: I'm just heading off now to get cheese and bread for lunch, should be back in under an hour. I say largely go ahead.
03:46:13 <kAlug> OK.
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04:20:07 <kAlug> Did someone here get the PortableApps.com newsletter already?
04:21:10 <GordCaswell> yep
04:21:52 <GordCaswell> looks like straight plaintext
04:22:39 <GordCaswell> you haven't got it yet?
04:26:43 <kAlug> Nope
04:27:16 <GordCaswell> ping me with your email, and i'll forward it
04:31:53 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: you are subscribed, I presume?
04:33:09 <kAlug> IDK. The subscriptions page was empty for me the last time I checked.
04:36:15 <kAlug> Ah. Finally found the newsletter. Thought it was connected with my account.
04:36:39 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/user/161787/edit/newsletter - you are subscribed.
04:37:04 <kAlug> Just enabled it.
04:38:25 <ChrisMorgan> Ah.
04:39:51 <kAlug> It's a bit confusing... never saw that tab before, else I would have enabled it.
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04:40:51 <GordCaswell> hi vf2nsr
04:41:05 <vf2nsr> HI GordCaswell
04:41:37 <GordCaswell> how's it going?
04:41:40 <vf2nsr> ltns hope all is well
04:41:44 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: it's been there for several years.
04:42:00 <vf2nsr> not bad sittin ghere and in the voice chat I work/volunteer for
04:42:11 <vf2nsr> seems slow on both lol
04:43:13 <vf2nsr> dropped by oping to catch John
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04:44:31 <vf2nsr> *hoping
04:45:05 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: sorry, he just went offline a few minutes ago (not that he'd been in the channel).
04:45:44 <vf2nsr> ok
04:46:30 <vf2nsr> I hang for a few
04:47:10 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: found 14 headers in PAL which can be made reusable. I think we could create a new project for them.
04:47:29 <ChrisMorgan> Which ones?
04:50:16 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: if you see/hear from him can you ask him to check the red notebook thread I was trying to fix an issue the he wanted done quickly but was unable to so he said he would, was just checking since I stoppped trying not sure if he wants me to keep at it? Or if he ist still going to
04:50:18 <vf2nsr> thanks
04:50:26 <vf2nsr> gtg other chat demanding me
04:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: I would expect that he has seen it.
04:50:42 <vf2nsr> ok did not see a response but htanks
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04:52:04 <kAlug> NullByte (by forum member - BFM), ProcFunc (BFM), ReplaceInFileWithTextReplace (John), RequireLatestNSIS, SetEnvironmentVariable, SetFileAttributesDirectoryNormal (origin?), TrimWhite, CallAnsiPlugin (BFM), CheckForPlatformSplashDisable (John), EmptyWorkingSet, FEIP, FEP, MyXML, NewTextReplace (BFM)
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04:53:48 <ChrisMorgan> SetFileAttributesDirectoryNormal.nsh is old live mode code from NSIS launchers days.
04:55:01 <ChrisMorgan> RequireLatestNSIS.nsh is one I did, based directly on what I wrote for Inkscape (packaging/win32/RequireLatestNSIS.nsh in its repository)
04:56:00 <ChrisMorgan> MyXML.nsh requires XML.nsh
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04:58:19 <ChrisMorgan> I should delete Other/Source/TextFunc.nsh, NSIS Portable (Unicode) includes it now.
04:59:02 <kAlug> And Registry.nsh.
04:59:12 <ChrisMorgan> Registry.nsh we need to keep, upstream doesn't have the MoveKey fix.
04:59:31 <kAlug> Ah, OK.
04:59:51 <kAlug> So, what about moving those headers to a separate project and keeping here just those we need?
05:00:22 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think it adds value. Separate directory is good, but separate project is a waste of time.
05:01:38 <ChrisMorgan> It makes working with PAL harder. And it is generally unlikely that people will need them, and even if they do, they can get them easily from the PAL repo.
05:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> Modularity is not an end in itself.
05:03:56 <kAlug> OK. I'll see that later. It can be a project of my own.
05:04:06 <kAlug> Now, what is PAL 2.2 status?
05:04:12 <ChrisMorgan> I don't want them taken out of the PAL tree.
05:04:28 <kAlug> I didn't say that.
05:05:40 <ChrisMorgan> NewTextReplace.nsh is also correct in NSIS now.
05:07:15 <ChrisMorgan> ... but I don't see ReplaceInFileWithTextReplace.nsh, which it depends on :-/
05:23:05 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: what is the overall status of PAL 2.2?
05:23:28 <ChrisMorgan> I need to get back to it.
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05:40:28 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: it's appinfo.ini, not AppInfo.ini.
05:41:07 <ChrisMorgan> And "unique"? Perhaps "unique (theoretically)"!
05:44:19 <kAlug> I'd says it's a MUST (as per RFC 2119). The updater depends on it.
05:48:57 <kAlug> Anything else?
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06:22:26 <need_help> Hello room\
06:22:43 <need_help> need help here.....anyone?
06:22:51 <GordCaswell> hello need_help can we help ypu?
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12:40:38 <pa_1264> Help! Portable Apps 10 will not load on my USB
12:45:15 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1264: what do you mean?
12:46:17 <pa_1264> oh hi i was not sure if this was working
12:47:58 <pa_1264> I have downloaded latest binary file, just over 3meg but when I install on my memory stick there are no applications in the left hand panel and nothing has been installed
12:48:38 <pa_1264> programme install very quickly so something is going wrong
12:49:14 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1264: what you installed is just the Platform. It doesn't include any apps.
12:49:20 <pa_1264> I'm running win 7 64 bit,
12:49:46 <pa_1264> ok chris how do I install the apps?
12:49:48 <ChrisMorgan> You get to choose what you want to install - click on the Apps button, Get More Apps... and you're ready to choose!
12:50:08 <ChrisMorgan> Or, select them from http://portableapps.com/apps
12:50:38 <pa_1264> last time i did this it was so easy as all programmes were installed with one click at the beginning
12:51:33 <pa_1264> thanks chris I will try again using your advice
12:51:44 <ChrisMorgan> We used to include some apps, but now that we've got the means of letting the user select and download what they want easily, we've left off including apps.
12:51:49 <ChrisMorgan> Enjoy!
12:52:48 <pa_1264> Great Thanks This support works really well too
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21:24:20 <Fireuser> I have been on before due to a plugin for Firefox. Chrome has built in Flash plugin and i want it to work in Firefox.
21:25:32 <Fireuser> i use this support because i have had great experiences, even though it is not necessarily a problem with a portable app. i am running FirefoxPortable though.
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21:54:06 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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22:02:20 <kAlug> Fireuser: What exactly do you want?
22:06:29 <Fireuser> i wand instructions on how to take the DLL file and implement it into Firefox so that it runs on it's own adobe flash, not the one specific to each computer.
22:07:11 <Fireuser> what do u mean, gizmobot?
22:08:18 <kAlug> Just ignore it.
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22:09:03 <Fireuser> kk. so what do i do with the .dll?
22:09:10 <kAlug> Copy the file C:\Windows\System32\Macromed\Flash\NPSWF32.dll to FirefoxPortable\Data\Plugins.
22:10:23 <Fireuser> it is there now, but nothing changed.
22:10:57 <kAlug> Hmm... try coping it to App\Firefox\Plugins instead.
22:12:36 <Fireuser> kk. restart, or just check the plugins section of the addons window?
22:13:44 <kAlug> Restart.
22:16:02 <Fireuser> what will it be titled in the plugins window?
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22:17:23 <kAlug> Check the file path for the Adobe Flash plugin.
22:17:28 <kAlug> "To show the full path to the plugin instead of just the file name, type about:config in the address bar and press the Enter key. Find the preference plugin.expose_full_path and change the value to true (double-clicking the preference name will toggle the setting). Caution: Exposing the full plugin path can have security implications on some systems. It's best to reset the preference to the default "false" value when you are done
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22:23:30 <Fireuser> kk just toggled it. now what?
22:23:58 <kAlug> Check if the file path for the Adobe Flash plugin matches the one it's supposed to be.
22:24:24 <Fireuser> what do u mean by that? what is it supposed to be vs. what it is?
22:24:50 <kAlug> It should be ...\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\Plugins\NPSWF32.dll.
22:26:20 <Fireuser> it is in that directory.
22:27:05 <kAlug> Then it's done.
22:27:31 <Fireuser> in about:addons, i dont see it
22:27:56 <Fireuser> in the plugins section, it isnt listed
22:28:32 <Fireuser> if i restart, will this chatbox still be open?
22:29:51 <kAlug> No. You'll have to reopen it.
22:31:16 <Fireuser> how? i tried that before and i had to make a completely new one.
22:32:20 <kAlug> Open this after you restart Firefox: http://webchat.freenode.net/?nick=Fireuser&channels=portableapps
22:33:23 <Fireuser> kk back soon
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22:38:43 <Fireuser> still no change that i can see.
22:39:09 <kAlug> Hmm... open about:plugins and check if Adobe Flash is listed.
22:40:49 <Fireuser> no not that i can see.
22:41:37 <Fireuser> it lists a couple shockwave flash players but not adobe... do i need to rename anything?
22:42:28 <kAlug> Nope, just check these players.
22:42:47 <kAlug> Check if the path for any one of them is ...\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\Plugins\NPSWF32.dll.
22:44:27 <Fireuser> File: G:\Programs\Portable\FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\plugins\NPSWF32.dll Version: 9.0.28.0 Shockwave Flash 9.0 r28 this is it. the drive is G for my flash drive so i think this is it. how do i test to see if this is it and it actually works?
22:46:53 <kAlug> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
22:48:29 <Fireuser> kAlug, you have been extremely helpful, i may be on some other time under this nickname and channel. i have to go. thank you for all of your help.
22:49:05 <kAlug> You're welcome. I have to go too.
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23:02:03 <pa_3990> quick question - added a pic to the upper right corner of the interface...it's throwing read errors 00680043...can you help me remove the pic...it's a privileged operation
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23:31:26 <george2> Anybody ever heard of a company called Granite Digital?
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23:32:55 <kAlug> george2: No. Researching now. Why?
23:33:37 <george2> I'm just trying to find out about them. They have a thingy I want, but I'm not sure if its a company I should trust.
23:33:45 <george2> Seems to be mostly good reviews
23:34:12 <george2> I'm looking for a usb to sata/ide adapter that works with linux.
23:35:24 <george2> So far the only ones I can find that look halfway decent are Bytecc and Granite Digital.
23:39:12 <george2> I hate buying stuff online. I'll be going to Colo. Springs next week sometime, maybe I'll just try to find some computer store there. Best buy and radioshack don't seem to have much at all.
23:48:46 <george2> You'd think more people would have one of these. Surely there's some big brand somewhere that sells them.