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03:49:58 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable
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13:06:21 <Enim> Just wondering if PortableApps is bootable or has the potential of being so?
13:12:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No, it doesn't have such potential.
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13:50:39 <Enim> ok, thanks for the quick response. I love this tool box though, it is truly awesome.
13:56:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Nice to hear that. :)
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13:57:46 <pa_1644> someone can help me?
13:58:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Depends on which kind of help you need. ;)
13:58:53 <pa_1644> i want to install another app on my portableApps
14:00:05 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The instructions are here: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
14:00:11 <pa_1644> i can download software(not from PortableApps.com) and install it on the platform
14:00:24 <pa_1644> ?
14:01:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That link leads to instructions to add other (i.e. non-PA) applications to the menu.
14:02:58 <pa_1644> thanks
14:03:05 <pa_1644> good day
14:03:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You're welcome. :)
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18:25:08 <pa_7339> help. how do i check my current version of portableapps?
18:25:09 <GizmoBot> pa_7339: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
18:25:54 <ZachThibeau> in the platform go to apps and the check for updates
18:26:48 <pa_7339> i see...thank you. very much appreciated..bye now..
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20:12:45 <Simeon1> hi all
20:13:52 <kAlug> hi Simeon1
20:14:09 <kAlug> Where is Simeon0?
20:14:33 <Simeon1> lost in digital nirvana :)
20:16:38 <kAlug> What's up?
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20:39:19 <pa_7065> hello there
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20:40:57 <kAlug> hello...
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20:51:20 <pa_8868> help!
20:51:20 <GizmoBot> pa_8868: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
20:51:39 <pa_8868> is there anyone who can respond me officially
20:51:44 <pa_8868> hello by the way ;)
20:52:28 <pa_8868> can I have legally two instances of an application in use (by 1 person) I mean eg.g.
20:52:57 <pa_8868> Mozailla Firefox stationary on my PC *AND* portable on my USB whateer
20:53:05 <pa_8868> *device
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20:54:24 <pa_8868> or (in this case) LibraOffice on my PC *AND* LibraOffice Portable 3.4.4. on my USB at the same time
20:55:25 <pa_8868> I mean, two instances, two "packages" o the same program (is it really the same?) when it comes to LibraOffice and Libra Office Prtable
20:55:43 <pa_8868> summarizing:
20:56:06 <Simeon1> Mozilla cant do that portably.
20:56:30 <pa_8868> Question: Can I use (have) e.g. Libra Office on my PC and Libra Office Portable on my USB (or other device) simulateously, at the same time?
20:56:48 <pa_8868> Simeon1: Alright. You mean that Mozilla doesn't allow that
20:57:17 <pa_8868> I mean you can have only one 'instance' of Mozilla Firefox, so to speak, like 'in use'
20:57:24 <pa_8868> ?
20:57:36 <Simeon1> Normally, Mozilla can only do one instance. there is a setting for firefox to do more but some things can be left behind.
20:58:01 <Simeon1> I dont know it offhand, you'd have to check the forums.
20:58:05 <pa_8868> So you can have only Mozilla on your PC *OR* Mozilla Portable which you take with you on USB
20:58:06 <pa_8868> aha
20:58:15 <pa_8868> that's what I thought ;)
20:58:55 <Simeon1> yes.
20:59:04 <pa_8868> What I mean is if it's justifiable by the particular Licences to do that
20:59:48 <pa_8868> maybe that's pretty obvious
20:59:51 <Simeon1> what I meant: there are ways if you desperately want to but normally there is no need.
21:00:14 <pa_8868> if it's Open Sorce it would be obvious that possibly you can
21:00:17 <Simeon1> there are no licenses preventing you from doing that - its more the way Firefox is coded.
21:00:37 <pa_8868> mhm
21:00:50 <pa_8868> umm. interesting. could you explain this?
21:01:45 <pa_8868> I mean with the way that Firefox is coded
21:02:30 <pa_8868> if you desperately want to Simeon1 that made my day
21:02:58 <Simeon1> no. unfortunately I cant explain as I have no idea about coding.
21:03:06 <pa_8868> ok.
21:03:53 <pa_8868> so you... I get it, you're talking about a stituation in which yu have installed Mozilla Firefox on your PC
21:04:13 <pa_8868> and simulateously you are trying to run a Portable Firefox on that PC
21:04:21 <pa_8868> that wouldn't work yes?
21:04:57 <pa_8868> there would be some kind of conflict
21:06:11 <Simeon1> yes.
21:06:33 <Simeon1> the portable verions launcher is set to warn you if you start it while another instance is running.
21:06:48 <Simeon1> it just doesnt let you start the second instance.
21:07:13 <pa_8868> Oh right.
21:07:41 <pa_8868> Thanks you very much Simeon1.
21:08:16 <pa_8868> Now the thing is this: is it legally justfied (if it's not forbidden by the Licence - I think it's not) to
21:08:47 <pa_8868> have two installments of e.g. Libra Office and Libra Office Portable in use by one person
21:09:06 <pa_8868> i mean one person (like me) using two ... umm, programs
21:09:11 <pa_8868> is that right?
21:09:27 <Simeon1> simultaniously?
21:09:47 <pa_8868> let me put it this way
21:10:39 <pa_8868> Situation: I download Libra Office (stationary) and Libra Office Portable and I want to use both "versions": one when I work at home (stationary) and one when I travel (Libra Office Portable)
21:10:44 <pa_8868> is thata right?
21:10:48 <Simeon1> yes.
21:11:02 <Simeon1> and as long as you use them separately, everything will be clean.
21:11:04 <pa_8868> Maybe it's just a stupid question, and an answer comes just yes
21:11:16 <pa_8868> heh:)
21:11:22 <pa_8868> separately
21:11:47 <Simeon1> separately= one after the other.
21:12:10 <Simeon1> I think if one is started and you try to open a document, it uses the running instance.
21:12:36 <pa_8868> so legally I'm an owner hmm of two programs, is it legally right to use them both (like one edition wouldn't be satisfactory to me) that's the problem for me
21:12:45 <pa_8868> ah ok I get it
21:13:05 <Simeon1> they are open source. noone stops you from installing 55 copies :)
21:13:10 <pa_8868> so when it comes to instances running, they may be conflicting.
21:13:24 <pa_8868> That's what I thought initially
21:13:35 <pa_8868> you know, maybe
21:14:07 <pa_8868> it's the thing that I can hardly believe it that such software az this is comes for free
21:14:16 <pa_8868> that's wonderful if it's true
21:14:29 <Simeon1> it is true.
21:14:40 <Simeon1> thats one of the advantzages of open source software.
21:14:57 <pa_8868> I mean, Open Source, after all that commercial stuff (not saying names) would be completely topping the day off
21:15:14 <pa_8868> I'm new to this stuff. so I ask questions.
21:15:18 <Simeon1> and if you check out the wealth of different open source software that exists.
21:15:22 <pa_8868> ;)
21:15:41 <pa_8868> wow
21:15:44 <pa_8868> yeah sure
21:15:47 <Simeon1> I didnt know you were new to tis...
21:16:00 <pa_8868> I mean, so far I have used Mozilla Firefox and Open Office
21:16:21 <pa_8868> yes I am
21:16:36 <Simeon1> freeware is free too but open source has the advantage that you can change/see the sourcecode of the programs if you want.
21:16:40 <pa_8868> talking about this campaign on browser choosing
21:16:47 <Simeon1> europe?
21:16:50 <pa_8868> I think it's allabout consciousness right
21:17:07 <pa_8868> people probably sometimes don't even know that Open Source exists
21:17:12 <Simeon1> yes.
21:17:21 <pa_8868> yup. how'd you guess
21:17:36 <Simeon1> I even have a full free operating system (Ubuntu) :)
21:17:48 <pa_8868> yeah Im considering that one
21:18:07 <pa_8868> it looks like Mitsubishi GT 3000 :)
21:18:13 <Simeon1> ?
21:18:15 <pa_8868> or sth like that xD
21:18:41 <pa_8868> hmm?
21:18:53 <Simeon1> there are a lot more open source programs other than Open office or mozilla apps but those are 2 of the most well known ones.
21:19:07 <pa_8868> ah I see :)
21:19:20 <pa_8868> nice ones, should I say...
21:19:36 <Simeon1> for a small list you can check the one at portableapps.com/apps :)
21:19:52 <Simeon1> we have a lot of some popular open source apps available
21:19:59 <pa_8868> so this new Libra Office, just downloaded, looking forward to try it
21:20:04 <pa_8868> hmm
21:20:15 <Simeon1> its basically open office.
21:20:27 <pa_8868> yeah, but suppose it looks better.
21:20:49 <pa_8868> and what about the Word conversion format, i think they've upgraded it no?
21:21:16 <pa_8868> I mean all this stuff with fonts and all
21:21:23 <Simeon1> yes. Word 2010 (maybe 2008 too) uses docx as a format.
21:21:34 <pa_8868> esp. Word 2007
21:21:36 <pa_8868> and later
21:21:39 <pa_8868> yea
21:21:57 <Simeon1> but openoffice can open it too. (more or less)
21:22:12 <Simeon1> some not-so-normal formatting may be screwed up a bit
21:22:13 <pa_8868> I was hoping to work on a Word document today
21:22:32 <pa_8868> and I opened it in Open Office 3.x
21:22:42 <Simeon1> did it work?
21:22:44 <pa_8868> well that wasn't really thesame exact document :)
21:23:08 <pa_8868> the fonts were changed, the layout wasn't exactly the same
21:23:14 <Simeon1> lists sometimes get scrambled..
21:23:24 <pa_8868> and some trouble with tables I guess
21:23:36 <pa_8868> yes, thism lists.
21:23:52 <pa_8868> *lists got scrambled.
21:23:55 <pa_8868> :)
21:24:26 <pa_8868> I'm hoping Libra Office will get over this prob
21:24:42 <pa_8868> well Microsoft is kinda smart aren't they
21:24:44 <Simeon1> it might be better.
21:25:11 <pa_8868> even the fonts are somewhat licensed are they?
21:25:42 <pa_8868> and they changed them around the 2007 version of Word, and now again?
21:25:46 <Simeon1> but microsofts format (how they save what) is proprietary, meaning they dont publish it so its hard for people like the open office guys to figure it out.
21:26:09 <pa_8868> that's what i'm saying
21:26:11 <pa_8868> yes
21:26:18 <pa_8868> very smart .
21:26:19 <Simeon1> I dont know about the fonts.
21:26:28 <Simeon1> check wikipedia for that :)
21:26:43 <pa_8868> hmm I was digging up the OpenOffice Ninja blog ot sth like this
21:27:18 <pa_8868> and they said like the font package is too somehow a part of the Microsoft Word product
21:27:32 <pa_8868> and sice it is, it cannot be copied
21:27:51 <pa_8868> so the guys from Fedora were inventing these new fonts
21:28:17 <Simeon1> yes. I think you can copy them from your systems font folder but I dont know if its legal to reuse them.
21:28:21 <pa_8868> to fit shapes, dimensions, spaces etc. like in Microsoft
21:28:31 <pa_8868> in order to fix the conversion problem
21:28:38 <Simeon1> sounds resonable
21:28:54 <pa_8868> yea. check this out::
21:29:00 <pa_8868> [quote]:
21:29:57 <pa_8868> it's about some project named Liberation Fonts by RedHat
21:30:28 <pa_8868> quote: "In May of 2007, Red Hat announced its Liberation Fonts in response to "proprietary fonts present[ing] a barrier to truly open documents in that Microsoft will not license others to redistribute [their popular] fonts." These fonts are metric equivalents: "the fonts assume the identical horizontal spacing as the Microsoft fonts such that, when substituted for the Microsoft fonts, a line of text is identically displayed.""
21:30:49 <pa_8868> the whole article is very interesting
21:30:57 <Simeon1> got a link?
21:31:23 <pa_8868> yep
21:31:27 <pa_8868> just a sec
21:32:03 <pa_8868> link: [http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/metrical-equivalent-fonts-and-font.html]
21:32:16 <pa_8868> that's kinda funny
21:32:39 <pa_8868> they're trying to overcome Microft in all possible manners I think
21:32:51 <pa_8868> *Microsoft
21:33:05 <pa_8868> and the guy's quotation is just about right
21:33:56 <pa_8868> quote: "Microsoft will not license others to redistribute" so that's a part of a business
21:35:14 <Simeon1> yes.
21:35:15 <pa_8868> so fonts are part of Microsoft's distribute package
21:35:22 <Simeon1> gotta go now. Bye
21:35:23 <pa_8868> and you cannot take them away
21:36:03 <pa_8868> necause they would be likely to sue you
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21:36:17 <pa_8868> yea thanks for the healp. thanks!
21:36:18 <pa_8868> bye
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