IRC Log from 2011-12-17
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01:13:18 <GizmoBot> agdurrette is awesome! nuff said.
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06:22:55 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: "... or visit update.microsoft.com ..." - should include http://
06:23:32 <kAlug> It's not a link. I don't think it will make any difference.
06:23:48 <kAlug> And I didn't wrote that. Just copied it.
06:23:50 <ChrisMorgan> I think it should be included because that's what identifies it as a web reference.
06:24:39 <ChrisMorgan> As for Ghostscript, I note mentioning generating PDFs in your translation; why is that there? It's not what Ghostscript will always be used for.
06:25:25 <ChrisMorgan> Ghostscript is used for importing things as well as exporting, and not just PDF.
06:25:54 <kAlug> People have a notion on what Java is, but Ghostscript? I had to put a small description in there. Any suggestions?
06:26:24 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think it needs a description. Just an instruction.
06:26:46 <ChrisMorgan> It's not likely that we'll have many that *require* Ghostscript without it being fairly obvious.
06:26:57 <ChrisMorgan> And the Platform should manage the dependency at some time.
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06:27:35 <kAlug> About this last, I though on start deprecating the [Activate] session for that. See Java and .NET currently.
06:27:50 <kAlug> s/session/section/
06:29:59 <ChrisMorgan> Good work on the manual and 2.2 -> 3.0 rebranding.
06:30:32 <kAlug> OBTW, I need to add |wildcards| to FileWrite:File.
06:31:52 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean that ${DebugMsg} won't work in a function? I can't think of anything that should stop it.
06:32:15 <kAlug> IIRC, it's undefined.
06:32:38 <ChrisMorgan> Undefined? How so?
06:33:04 <kAlug> Invalid command: ${DebugMsg}
06:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> That sounds very strange.
06:33:42 <kAlug> Indeed.
06:33:46 <kAlug> BTW, "File 'L:\PortableApps\NSISPortable\App\NSIS\Contrib\Language files\Sundanese.nlf' has no BOM and does not validate as UTF-8."
06:34:08 <ChrisMorgan> Nuthin' to do wi' me ;-)
06:34:16 <kAlug> And something funny in the end of the log: "剅佒㩒䴠歡乥䥓⁓硥瑩摥眠瑩瑳瑡獵挠摯റ"
06:35:17 <ChrisMorgan> 'ERROR: MakeNSIS exited with status code 1\r'
06:35:57 <ChrisMorgan> I recognised that at once as a symptom of a long-standing Windows Unicode-detection bug. Observe: u"剅佒㩒䴠歡乥䥓⁓硥瑩摥眠瑩瑳瑡獵挠摯റ".encode('utf-16le')
06:36:46 <kAlug> \x00?
06:36:59 <ChrisMorgan> ?
06:37:02 <kAlug> Wait, its ?\x00
06:37:13 <kAlug> Lots of them.
06:37:22 <kAlug> b'?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00?\x00'
06:37:43 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, you're trying to stuff it into an Incompetent Terminal which Can't Cope with Unicode Characters.
06:38:41 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, that's what it is. For more information about the bug, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_hid_the_facts
06:40:33 <ChrisMorgan> When you're working on XP you hit that bug occasionally.
06:40:52 <ChrisMorgan> Once when I was helping the head tech support guy in the Faculty of IT
06:41:07 <kAlug> I pointed that to you a few months ago. And I'm you 7. But still, it's a very interesting bug.
06:41:33 <ChrisMorgan> Once when I was helping the head tech support guy in the Faculty of IT at my Uni we came across it when opening one of the startup bat files...
06:41:47 <kAlug> Hmm... I just found that Python doesn't support Windows UTF-8 (ie CP65001).
06:43:16 <kAlug> BTW, can you rename forum accounts?
06:43:56 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
06:44:24 <kAlug> http://portableapps.com/node/30203
06:44:42 <kAlug> And I found the reason DebugMsg is undefined.
06:49:52 <ChrisMorgan> What is it?
06:50:40 <kAlug> Segments.nsh is included before Debug.nsh.
06:51:27 <ChrisMorgan> Waal, seems to me that's easy to fix.
06:51:35 <kAlug> Already done.
06:51:45 <ChrisMorgan> Good, good :-)
06:53:20 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, I *really* forgot to run the Ghostscript segment? :-/
06:54:42 <ChrisMorgan> I can tell I'm getting old ;-)
06:57:45 <kAlug> Do you mind if I change the version in appinfo.ini between releases?
06:58:52 <kAlug> To 2.65534.65532.0/3.0 Dev
06:59:38 <ChrisMorgan> You like approaching the 2**16 limit, don't you!
07:00:23 <kAlug> To be sure we don't waste numbers ;)
07:00:54 <kAlug> See, ...532 -> tip, ...3 -> alpha, 4 -> beta, 5 -> rc.
07:01:46 <ChrisMorgan> How about 2.8284.27124.7461 (2 * root 2)?
07:03:47 <kAlug> Hey, lets choose a number and approach to it, like TeX and Slack!
07:03:56 <ChrisMorgan> You could have hg = 64 (from reading digits upside down on a calculator)
07:05:32 <kAlug> I see something else...
07:05:33 <kAlug> A merge and a backout.
07:06:10 <ChrisMorgan> Let's just throw away this 3.0 business and call it 14597.62958.17429.18884! (Hoorah for good scientific techniques like '.'.join(map(str, (random.randint(0, 65535) for i in xrange(4)))).)
07:06:12 <kAlug> Wait, I'm reading hP, not hg.
07:06:45 <kAlug> Do you use Python as your system shell?
07:06:58 <kAlug> echo $RANDOM.$RANDOM.$RANDOM.$RANDOM
07:07:31 <ChrisMorgan> No. It's too cumbersome for normal commands. But I always have Python at my fingertips with Alt+F6 (Alt+F3 is Terminal, you see).
07:07:47 <ChrisMorgan> What is the range of $RANDOM?
07:08:13 <ChrisMorgan> It looks to be a 16-bit number.
07:09:29 <kAlug> You mean, 65535.
07:09:43 <ChrisMorgan> I mean what?
07:09:57 <kAlug> 16 bit.
07:10:16 <kAlug> 0.upto(65535)
07:10:31 <ChrisMorgan> I mean it looks to be a 16-bit unsigned integer, which bounds it to [0, 65536)
07:11:13 <kAlug> Which is 0.upto(65535) in Ruby. Not that I use Ruby currently.
07:11:17 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, this is frivolity. I still want to get round to replacing the appinfo.ini:Version stuff at some time... there's no reason why it should be X.X.X.X...
07:12:06 <kAlug> Of course it does. It's called Windows.
07:12:44 <kAlug> I can't believe I just searched for "mathematical numbers" on the web... m(
07:12:48 <ChrisMorgan> There's no reason why it should be X.X.X.X.
07:14:24 <kAlug> What about 1.202056903159594285399738161511449990764986292
07:14:35 <kAlug> 12.02056903159594285399738161511449990764986292
07:14:45 <ChrisMorgan> What about it?
07:15:39 <ChrisMorgan> Is that intended to be 10 zeta 3?
07:15:49 <kAlug> Apéry's constant
07:16:38 * ChrisMorgan has http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=12.02056903159594285399738161511449990764986292 to help
07:16:38 <kAlug> I read about Riemann hypothesis once.
07:16:54 <kAlug> Try 0XFFFF on W|Alpha.
07:17:02 <kAlug> And then 0xFFFF.
07:23:56 <ChrisMorgan> What about it? It doesn't surprise me in the least. It does what I would expect.
07:24:27 <ChrisMorgan> Supporting a capital X in hexadecimal notation is the exception, not the rule. Lowercase is the normal way to write it.
07:25:22 <kAlug> I know. It doesn't match anything else, either.
07:25:59 <kAlug> Ahh... 2.50290
07:27:01 <ChrisMorgan> It seems to me we're wasting our time :-)
07:27:57 <ChrisMorgan> I propose that you push what you've got and then I get on and release PAL 3.0 Beta 1.
07:28:22 <ChrisMorgan> (In a couple of hours or so, I need to go and get some ingredients for tea and then make it and eat it.)
07:28:43 <kAlug> Already?!
07:29:58 <ChrisMorgan> "Already?!" on which count? The meal, or the release?
07:30:08 <ChrisMorgan> If the release, was there anything else you were wanting to get into 3.0?
07:34:52 <kAlug> I guess not. I just want to know with John if he can add [Dependencies]:UsesGhostscript to appinfo.ini.
07:41:14 <kAlug> Hey Chris, can you take a look on a small email I'm writing?
07:47:10 <ChrisMorgan> Yep (may have a delay, though, as I'm about to go)
07:47:49 <kAlug> http://p.kalug.net/4
07:48:43 <ChrisMorgan> choosed -> chose
07:49:52 <ChrisMorgan> And "to do it" -> "to do so".
07:50:25 <ChrisMorgan> And finally, "your email" -> "your email address"
07:51:47 <ChrisMorgan> I don't understand why you'd go basing it on that logo, though, rather than using the current Chromium logo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chromium_11_Logo.svg
07:54:04 <kAlug> Because I'm using the current one since before the new logo.
07:54:09 <kAlug> And I like it.
07:55:41 <ChrisMorgan> I suggest that you scrap the version which is slightly different to the real original anyway and use the current real one.
08:11:21 <kAlug> I'm going to make some changes that will require me to depart Chromium Portable's branding from vanilla Chromium.
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13:30:08 <Muhis91> Gmer rootkit detection to portable apps
13:30:20 <Muhis91> its freeware
13:30:25 <Muhis91> and its awesome
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14:59:44 <pa_0817> hi
15:00:17 <pa_0817> i have a question about the portable apps repository
15:00:52 <pa_0817> could i build my own application repository
15:03:06 <pa_0817> my private repo will be used on top of the one provided by default in the tool
15:04:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> To do that, you'd have to at least recompile PAM.
15:04:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Maybe even implement the entrie feature yourself. :(
15:05:14 <pa_0817> to bad
15:05:36 <pa_0817> we should be able to provide multiple repos
15:06:23 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Likely the developers didn't find that feature important.
15:07:22 <pa_0817> the problem is that when we have a set of applcations which are portable
15:08:00 <pa_0817> the users should be able to select few of them
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15:09:11 <pa_0817> I,m lokking at th problem in the context of a small compagny where emplyees are using different applications which are not supported by portableApps.com
15:10:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, a company should be able to deploy installed software without problems.
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15:46:25 <sar3th> for the record, you'd need to recompile and replace the UPDATER, not the menu
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19:47:55 <pa_0076> hello
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19:51:00 <pa_0076> i wanted to know how to install portable apps?
19:58:34 <agdurrette> Have you downloaded it?
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20:31:40 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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