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03:05:08 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: Got a minute to assist with a brain cramp?
03:05:45 <vf2nsr> Seeting up a new program need to move an ini out of hte appdir to save to Data forget which command to do it with
03:07:14 <vf2nsr> Do I want filesmove?
03:09:35 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: Never mind Just figured it out fat fingers had typo filessmove not filemove. THanks for at least letting me solve it by telling you lol
03:12:02 <vf2nsr> bbl
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03:35:17 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of a number of portable apps. He has a mostly-updated list here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399
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09:41:18 <pa_5829> hi i was wondering how i get my apps onto my platform thingy
09:42:25 <pa_5829> like i download the app but it doesnt show up on it
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13:10:49 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is the developer of KVIrc Portable: http://g2k5.us/4j and Songbird Portable: http://g2k5.us/4k
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16:48:03 <GizmoBot> sar3th hopes he will have more time for pa soon :/
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16:54:44 <lourdes821> how can you put some kind of instant messaging loading to the program i have three they are windows messaging, yahoo messanging and aim message
16:57:40 <benedikt93> lourdes821, see http://portableapps.com/apps section "Internet", there should be a few programs that provide these messaging protocols
16:59:27 <Gizmokid2005> lourdes821: MIranda and Pidgin will both do that.
17:00:05 <lourdes821> okay so your saying because the way i thought which is by going to where search is then click on the search on the web then it was to aim and then it tells me to down load the program is it like that
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17:04:17 <pa_4247> help
17:04:18 <GizmoBot> pa_4247: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
17:05:21 <pa_4247> When I install a portable app, does it write anything to any place other than the target folder? IOW, if I delete the target folder, will every vestige of that app go away?
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17:14:45 <kAlug> Argh... too slow.
17:15:30 <kAlug> lourdes821: Do you still need some help?
17:15:35 <lourdes821> yes
17:15:43 <lourdes821> i already downloaded the app
17:16:02 <lourdes821> do i need to delete the other 3 icons that i want to get out since i already have this one
17:17:15 <lourdes821> i already downloaded the pigion messanger since i have the windows and the yahoo and the aim regular on the computer would it interfer if i remove those or should they stay
17:17:36 <kAlug> You can keep them all, if you want.
17:17:58 <lourdes821> so it won't matter if i want to delete it
17:20:25 <kAlug> Pidgin doesn't depend or interfere with them, so you can do anything you want.
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19:50:10 <JohnTHaller> Scribus and Ghostscript are now available! http://portableapps.com/news/2012-01-19_-_scribus_portable_1.4.0_released
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19:54:16 <kAlug> Hey JohnTHaller!
19:54:29 <kAlug> Hello!
19:54:35 <JohnTHaller> hola. how goes it?
19:58:39 <kAlug> Very well. Finding my way through a new text editor ATM. Then going to learn about Windows' IPC techniques, I think.
20:00:24 <kAlug> You?
20:02:33 <JohnTHaller> Just posted GhostScript and Scribus. Waiting on The Document Foundation to post LibreOffice. Doing various other updates. Trying to figure out paying a webhost bill.
20:03:43 * kAlug wished he could donate
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20:38:28 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: On PAL 2.1.3: do whatever you think it's the best. I just want 3.0 released relatively fast.
20:39:09 <JohnTHaller> Ok, what kind of timeframe are you thinking?
20:42:27 <kAlug> Just let me check what changed since last beta.
20:47:10 <kAlug> The only new features seems to be UTF-16 launcher.ini support (I know one app we can use to test), Ghostscript support (which Scribus is using) and some dozen new variables. I'd say <3 months. It's just a matter of feedback.
20:47:27 <kAlug> Which is, by the way, the reason PAL 2.2 wasn't released last year. Lack of feedback.
20:48:09 <JohnTHaller> We could make some guidelines for people to test with. Make it easier for them to test with existing apps.
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20:53:23 <kAlug> The best way to test the launcher is 1) enable debugging, 2) compare the debug.log from both PAL 2.x and 3.x, and 3) make sure it does what's written in the log.
20:53:40 <kAlug> What kind of guidelines you're thinking in?
20:54:25 <kAlug> BTW, are you going to add something like [Dependencies]:UsesGhostscript to appinfo.ini?
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21:25:22 <JohnTHaller> I was thinking easy explanations like how to compare 2.x to 3.x like the debug log you mentioned. Maybe give folks an easy to use bundle so they can install PAL2 and PAL3 side by side and compile apps with it in debug mode. We could whip up a simple NSIS app to do that in an hour
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21:35:27 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: I believe we can assume that just our most experienced devs will use PAL 3.0.
21:35:32 <kAlug> BTW, you got mail.
21:38:28 <feistyfella> Hi, I have been using portableapps for years and am registered with the same username on the site as I am using on here. I would love to contribute somehow but unfortunately don't have the necessary skills yet to develop a portableapp. There's a 64bit version of firefox called waterfox. It uses the same profile as firefox. I am not sure if anyone here is aware of this program or not. http://sourceforge.net/projects/water
21:39:31 <kAlug> I heard of it in the forums...
21:39:48 <JohnTHaller> feistyfella: We're aware of Waterfox, but there are issues with plugins and extensions. Technically, the name is a trademark violation as well. In the near future Firefox will likely come in 64-bit as well. At that point, we'll likely consider it.
21:40:14 <feistyfella> Thanks!! :D
21:40:48 <JohnTHaller> 64-bit apps can be useful, but often the (smaller than you expect) performance gain doesn't cancel out the double-size app. More info is here: http://portableapps.com/node/24371
21:41:06 <feistyfella> btw I couldn't find mention it in the forums but I believe it would be there somewhere..
21:41:46 <feistyfella> Appreciate the feedback John
21:44:41 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: IIRC, WaterFox was somehow connected to Mozilla.
21:45:20 <JohnTHaller> It's not. They're just using the 'powered by Mozilla' logo
21:47:37 <kAlug> ... and using it to something entirely different.
21:48:03 <feistyfella> o i c
21:48:10 <feistyfella> wow
21:50:44 <ZachThibeau> Jan 7, 2012
21:50:44 <ZachThibeau> Posted by: MrAlex
21:50:44 <ZachThibeau> Waterfox has now been accepted as a project by Mozilla and has been placed on their website! Waterfox 9.0.1 has also been released, but at the moment is only available through the internal updating program available in Waterfox 9.0. This is to try and iron out any issues for the release of Waterfox.Next.
21:51:08 <ZachThibeau> just from their project page but on the mozilla site I'm having a hard time finding mention of waterfox
21:51:29 <kAlug> I saw that. No mentions on blog.mozilla.com. Maybe on Mozilla Labs?
21:51:53 <ZachThibeau> possibly
21:52:35 <kAlug> Unfortunately my connection is currently slower than dialup, so I can't check it.
21:53:14 <JohnTHaller> I don't see it on mozilla.com or .org
21:53:19 <JohnTHaller> And I doubt Mozilla would approve something packaged by a 3rd party with 'fox' in the name due to possible trademark dilution
21:55:39 <kAlug> I don't think 'fox' would be a problem. <Fire>fox + Thunder<bird> = Firebird.
21:56:15 <JohnTHaller> It's the use of SomethingFox or FireSomething in conjuction with a browser that's the issue.
21:56:35 <kAlug> Oh yeah, thta would be confusing.
21:56:35 <JohnTHaller> Firefox is a registered US trademark. So doing something derivative of it as a browser would appear to be an issue.
21:57:22 <ZachThibeau> so ThunderCat is out of the question then
21:58:01 <JohnTHaller> I don't think they're as concerned with Thuderbird. Firefox is their moneymaker. Firefox is how they make 1/3 of a billion dollars each year.
21:59:16 <kAlug> <fun moment> http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4k3qod0A1qcutt9o1_500.jpg
21:59:58 <JohnTHaller> hah
22:00:00 <kAlug> I bet they are from the same company.
22:00:19 <JohnTHaller> wouldn't surprise me
22:02:31 <kAlug> JohnTHaller (re-asking): are you going to add something like [Dependencies]:UsesGhostscript to appinfo.ini?
22:06:01 <kAlug> ZachThibeau: How is PChat going?
22:06:05 <feistyfella> There's these x64 binaries on mozilla.org for firefox and thunderbird but I couldn't find Waterfox anywhere but in forums etc. - nothing from mozilla.
22:06:05 <feistyfella> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/9.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/
22:06:05 <feistyfella> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/9.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/
22:06:44 <ZachThibeau> kAlug: slowly, been working on several projects
22:07:03 <kAlug> feistyfella: These are for Linux.
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22:07:50 <feistyfella> I know, that's all I could find on mozilla's site
22:08:05 <feistyfella> I used to mess with http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download but as you can see they stopped at 3.6.
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22:30:39 <feistyfella> .
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22:39:37 <feistyfella> i just noticed a win64 in nightly builds 12.0.. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ 3 more versions in the future.. :)
22:43:25 <feistyfella> running it now, runs great but no addons are supported.. lol
22:43:44 <feistyfella> a little xpi tweaking will fix that
22:44:11 <feistyfella> gonna run now, appreciate all the work you devs do
22:44:35 <feistyfella> thanks for all the info
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23:23:33 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: ping
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