IRC Log from 2012-01-28
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01:36:45 <pa_6225> Hey, freenode works now!
01:36:53 <pa_6225> And JohnTHaller is on!
01:37:25 <pa_6225> I had a weird idea for you guys and want to know if it's even remotely possible.....
01:39:25 <pa_6225> Similar to MojoPac, the PA.c OS! Start it up, it "boots" into the PA.c "OS", and you get presented with a "Desktop" and a [GeoShell?] powered shell....with a "Start Menu" that actually opens the PA platform/menu.
01:40:05 <pa_6225> PortableApps run in this environment get there taskbar items put into the "PA.c OS" taskbar instead of the host
01:40:48 <pa_6225> All in all, while only taking the resources of an application rather than an OS, an entirely personalised desktop experience....all powered by portable apps!
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01:49:41 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399
01:50:16 <GordCaswell> hey all!
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02:25:42 <pa_6225> Hello GordCaswell
02:26:04 <pa_6225> I think you scared off JohnTHaller
02:26:07 <GordCaswell> hi pa_6225
02:26:10 <GordCaswell> heh
02:26:17 <GordCaswell> looks that way, alright
02:26:39 <pa_6225> GordCaswell: http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2012-01-28#T01-37-25
02:27:49 <GordCaswell> have you tried this: http://portableapps.com/node/28150
02:29:01 <pa_6225> I'll give it a try..hopefully it wont have the same issues as GeoShell
02:29:40 <GordCaswell> Not sure what issues GeoShell has. I use emergeDesktop Portable daily, and rarely have any issues whatsoever
02:29:56 <pa_6225> I'm having issues right now :P
02:30:10 <pa_6225> Geoshell has issues with stuck dlls.
02:30:30 <pa_6225> Emerge couldnt register hotkeys or somethin....and the bar looks mangled
02:31:52 <GordCaswell> oh..right...that one..i fixed that somehow... i just diabled the emergeHotkeys applet on my system.
02:31:56 <pa_6225> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3295546/Untitled.png
02:33:07 <GordCaswell> ctrl+right click, then you can configure the position
02:34:10 <GordCaswell> as for the hotkeys: start button>settings>configure core>launch editor>remove emergeHotkeys.exe
02:36:08 <pa_6225> Now to replace the explorer desktop with something portable....or maybe I just dont know how to add shortcuts yet....still learning
02:38:39 <pa_6225> Well, one day what I'd like to see....is to have this not use the host AT ALL, but rather integrate with the PA.c platform
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02:39:48 <pa_6225> Like, use the PA.c documents folder....use the PA.c apps rather than the hosts start menu, etc
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02:43:38 <githelp> hi can u explain to me what the advantages of users the portable apps menu is?
02:44:49 <GordCaswell> githelp: check this link for some answers to the benefits of the PortableApps.com methods: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app#whypaf
02:48:30 <githelp> no imean a few years ago i read some discussion about the PAm doing cleanup for apps that were not in PAf, is that tru?
02:49:35 <GordCaswell> Nope, nothing of the sort happens, or is planned
02:54:39 <pa_6225> Hrmm... GordCaswell I cant seem to get emerger to use relative links...it wants a drive letter or system variable like %SystemDrive%
02:54:58 <pa_6225> *emerge
02:57:30 <GordCaswell> looks like a newer dev test of the base app has fixed issues with relative paths. You can try copying the new build into your App\Emerge Desktop directory if you like, it may work for you, but no gaurantees: http://emergedesktop.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=9399#9399
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02:59:08 <pa_6225> GordCaswell: Well, I wonder what they mean by that. I mean, relative paths "work" but they get automatically replaced with a hard link
02:59:51 <GordCaswell> *shrugs* I dunno. That'd be a question for ironhead
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03:11:16 <pa_6225> GordCaswell: I cant seem to configure the quicklaunch....
03:11:45 <GordCaswell> right beside the start button, you mean?
03:12:01 <pa_6225> GordCaswell: EmergeLauncher...yes
03:12:30 <pa_6225> I went in configure and deleted things...and tried adding....the changes didnt apply
03:13:00 <pa_6225> It just flickers
03:13:38 <GordCaswell> Try saving the style as something new, that might fix it. I think that's what i did
03:14:01 <pa_6225> GordCaswell: Its not a style though...its the launch items
03:15:01 <pa_6225> It's not even saving styles....
03:15:19 <GordCaswell> ok, on the launch items page, did you click the save icon?
03:15:42 <pa_6225> Whenever its not greyed out
03:16:55 <GordCaswell> Hmm, just added an executable here, and it worked, first try. Can you walk me through exactly what you're doing?
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03:17:55 <pa_6225> http://dev.jjjcomputing.co.cc:8045/main Assuming you have no connection issues...perhaps I can show you?
03:20:09 <GordCaswell> hmmm...i'm not seeing anything other than a black box after you save launch items
03:21:21 <pa_6225> Odd....either way its the same....I add or delete items....it just stays at default...
03:21:26 <pa_6225> its like it cant save its config
03:21:49 <GordCaswell> weird. try posting a bug report at emergedesktop.org.
03:22:47 <pa_6225> Even admin rights don't help....
03:23:23 <GordCaswell> I've gotta go, sorry i can't help more at the moment
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03:43:08 <pa_6225> Is there a portable app to switch out/hide the host machines desktop icons, and replace them with icons that launch certain portableapps of my choosing?
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13:20:01 <lwinmaungmaung> hi everybody
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14:53:44 <andai-2> I wish to share a short example usage of portableapps: I can setup FileZillaPortable with the right credentials and send it as a zip to my less computer literate friend so he can use FTP on my server
14:53:59 <andai-2> I tried to find a Contact Us! on the website but all I found was this IRC channel :P
14:58:47 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Nice. :)
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15:16:58 <pa_9313> Almost done it!
15:17:09 <pa_9313> The PortableApps Desktop Environment!
15:21:33 <pa_9313> Utilizing Emerge Desktop as the shell, PortableApps Menu as the iconic "Start Menu", QuickWayToFolder as the portable Desktop(for those who are accustomed to using the desktop to hold files that need noticing)
15:21:50 <pa_9313> And everything else, in official portable Apps!
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16:17:48 <solanus> Hola.
16:18:57 <solanus> Niemand hier? OK, Tschuss.
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18:42:41 <solanus> What's with all the soccer spam on the site? Is there some way to contact someone at PA.c to clean it up?
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18:51:47 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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19:01:27 <solanus> Hey, JTH, any word on the next platform beta?
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19:12:18 <JohnTHaller> when it's ready. soon, though. i want to get screen reader accessibility out there
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19:17:56 <e3iswsi> JohnTHaller, I would like to change my username. Can be changed?
19:19:00 <JohnTHaller> e3iswsi: sorry I hadn't emailed you back. What did you want it to be again?
19:19:36 <solanus> Thanks, John, not looking for dates, just info.
19:20:06 <JohnTHaller> solanus: No worries. Just a bit or a priority crunch. Still catching up on apps post-holiday. And trying to boost and continue drive sales.
19:20:49 <JohnTHaller> First priority on the platform is fixing the personal picture crash. Then the major type to find bug. Then screen reader accesibility. I need about one full day of dev to knock those out.
19:22:10 <e3iswsi> JohnTHaller: sorry, I do not understand your question...
19:22:14 <solanus> Yeah, there are still quite a few official apps pending - you've got quite a job ahead! Thanks for all the hard work!
19:23:24 <JohnTHaller> e3iswsi: What do you want your username to be?
19:23:42 <e3iswsi> [redacted from logs by user request]
19:24:45 <JohnTHaller> e3iswsi: Done. That's now your login. Case sensitive. Same password as before.
19:25:13 <e3iswsi> Thank you very much!
19:25:17 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
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19:26:01 <JohnTHaller> solanus: Yeah. I still need to get the Drupal 7 upgrade done one weekend so we can really let the new apps fly.
19:28:06 <JohnTHaller> btw - anybody have thoughts on the website font change?
19:30:14 <solanus> JohnTHaller: Good luck. Also: Inoticed the new font... it's ok, looks nicer and has a good readability. What font is it?
19:30:43 <JohnTHaller> Open Sans. Part of Google's open web fonts initiative. It's cached between sites that use it, too.
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19:33:37 <solanus> I like it. Thanks for the update, gotta go!
19:33:43 <JohnTHaller> Take care!
19:33:59 <e3iswsi> I like it too
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19:34:39 <JohnTHaller> Figured I'd try it over the weekend and see what people think.
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19:46:30 <kAlug> hi all
19:48:29 <JohnTHaller> howdy
19:52:59 <kAlug> Alright over here. BTW, good idea changing the site's font. Open Sans looks like Ubuntu (which was supposed to be my default font). Now I wonder why do browsers still have a "default fonts" setting, as no site respects it.
19:54:19 <JohnTHaller> It's for sites that don't specify
20:02:50 <kAlug> Yeah... just realized that even my websites do specify a custom font... m(
20:04:51 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Have you heard any news from Chris with regards to PAL 2.1.3?
20:17:34 <JohnTHaller> nope
20:19:15 <kAlug> Hmm... alright.
20:20:48 <kAlug> We need to find a way to either 1) delegate the Platform's "Run as Admin" feature to PAL, or 2) share a file between the elevated launcher and the Platform (what means an unique, yet previsible filename).
20:23:02 <e3iswsi> I right click the start.exe > run as anministrator
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20:24:16 <kronophskiy> hi, anyone here?
20:25:21 <e3iswsi> yes
20:25:51 <kronophskiy> I hear that the platform allows me to store fonts portably. How does that work?
20:26:24 <JohnTHaller> See here: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#fonts
20:27:24 <kronophskiy> Cool
20:27:38 <kronophskiy> I have an application-specific question too, dunno if you'll be able to help
20:27:42 <kronophskiy> It's about Iron
20:30:43 <kronophskiy> It says that I must add adblock.ini to the app's main folder, but it doesn't seem to work
20:32:09 <kAlug> kronophskiy: Try the Data or Data\settings folders.
20:32:44 <kronophskiy> kAlug: I'll try, thanks
20:32:48 <kAlug> e3iswsi: It's half broken. Language switching, for example, doesn't work.
20:33:01 <kronophskiy> One more question, about ClamWin
20:33:23 <kronophskiy> I know you can get ClamSentinel. Will it work on the portable version? I doubt it but I figured I'd ask
20:34:29 <JohnTHaller> Nope
20:35:01 <kronophskiy> Too bad
20:35:03 <JohnTHaller> At least I don't think so. I haven't tried it myself.
20:35:38 <kronophskiy> I have mixed feeling about Clam
20:35:45 <e3iswsi> kAlug: is works perfect to me
20:36:38 <e3iswsi> *it
20:37:04 <kAlug> e3iswsi: It must have cached the language. Try changing the Platform's language.
20:37:35 <e3iswsi> I tried. I can't se problem
20:37:41 <e3iswsi> *see
20:38:36 <kAlug> Hmm... then something is wrong in my machine. What's your OS?
20:39:04 <e3iswsi> vista. what is the problem exactly?
20:40:43 <kAlug> Environment variables in general (including the language ones) aren't kept when the launcher elevates itself. When I tried, the same happened when the Platform elevated it.
20:41:38 <kAlug> Maybe this "feature" got added in Win7.
20:42:40 <kronophskiy> I had no problem running the platform in 7... I use it daily
20:43:20 <e3iswsi> for what "elevation" are you speaking about?
20:44:25 <kAlug> UAC privilege elevation.
20:45:11 <kAlug> Like here: http://www.ms-windows.info/Help/win-7-launching-elevated-app-not-900.aspx (see Solution 2)
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20:52:22 <kAlug> Gotta go now. Bye.
20:52:25 <e3iswsi> this if for installed applications
20:52:35 <e3iswsi> bye
20:53:54 <kAlug> e3iswsi: See just the last part of the text (about the environment variable). Solution 3 also mentions it, I think. Anyway, it happens with ALL environment variables.
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20:59:24 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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20:59:37 <ZachThibeau> evening everyone
20:59:51 <JohnTHaller> hola
21:00:16 <ZachThibeau> just got back home from work and also got a free ipod touch from an instore contest I entered :D
21:00:21 <JohnTHaller> nice
21:07:58 <ZachThibeau> all in all twas a good day
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22:55:33 <pa_0212> help!
22:55:33 <GizmoBot> pa_0212: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
22:56:52 <pa_0212> This thread: http://portableapps.com/node/30727 I'd like to know where to proceed from here. I doubt any of the active developers have NWN2 just lying around...
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23:15:13 <vf2nsr> pa_0212 that game is commercial? If so can not be legally made portable
23:46:17 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: Wow you have been busy with all the updates I see
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