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12:45:11 <Delano> hi all
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12:59:30 <Delano> hi AlleyKat
12:59:46 <AlleyKat> hey
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13:30:16 <solanus> Hi - any devs online?
13:35:13 <marlop> hi, whats your question(i'm not a dev but i may be able to help you)?
13:36:52 <solanus> Just wondering what's going on with some apps that are on the official list and have been waiting 2 months for updates while others have been updated multiple times in the same time frame.
13:38:15 <Gizmokid2005> solanus: such as?
13:38:32 <solanus> Audacity - Dec 11 Blender Dec 14
13:39:05 <Gizmokid2005> likely the original devs haven't updated them yet...in any case they all have to go through John T Haller before they can be published.
13:40:08 <solanus> While the following have been updated 5-6 times: FF TB utorrent TaskCoach
13:41:59 <solanus> I know it's a long list, but I'd hope that the longer it's waiting, the higher it gets on the priority list. Just not feeling the love.
13:44:42 <Gizmokid2005> while I can understand solanus, you have to also realize that you have one person in control of all of these, and all the work is done is all volunteer work.
13:44:55 <Gizmokid2005> nobody gets paid to sit and work on the apps to make sure they get updated.
13:46:01 <solanus> Oh, I know that, I'm just feeling that some apps tend to get preferential treatment, while others are not.
13:48:20 <Gizmokid2005> the big apps like FF and TB always will. They are more/less "Flagship" apps.
13:48:33 <Gizmokid2005> and john has automated processes for building those applications
13:53:51 <solanus> Yeah, I know that too. But Blender and Audacity aren't exactly fringe apps. Audacity even has its own forum.
13:55:14 <Gizmokid2005> You're right...but the likeliness of those updates being major security flaws is minimal
13:55:34 <Gizmokid2005> in any case, you'd have to ask John about them individually unless it's mentioned in the outdated topic.
13:55:46 <Gizmokid2005> I still have to get songbird updated...some of us just don't have the time to do it for a whilel.
13:55:48 <Gizmokid2005> thus the apps wait.
13:56:30 <solanus> I worry that with the growing list of official apps, if PA.c doesn't come up with an approach that is eiher more efficient or involves more than one person at the gate, it's going to really start drowning in itself.
13:57:09 <Gizmokid2005> your sentiment is echoed by many people. That's not our call though.
13:57:20 <Gizmokid2005> A lot of it has to do with the digital signing of the application packages.
13:57:27 <Gizmokid2005> they're all signed by a digital cert that only John has
14:01:49 <solanus> Here's an observation: on the official Songbird Portable page, it lists PortableApps.com (Michael Secord) which is you. On the Audacity page, it lists PortableApps.com (John T. Haller) and on Blender (and others) it just lists PortableApps.com.
14:02:22 <solanus> So it's obvious that you are the Songbird dev - does that mean that the others all have JTH as dev?
14:04:54 <solanus> BTW, thanks for this discussion, it always helps ease the waiting if you get an idea of what's going on behind the scenes.
14:08:15 <Gizmokid2005> yes, if there is no other dev listed on the page, that means John is the one who's doing that
14:08:18 <Gizmokid2005> + one
14:17:00 <solanus> Anyway, thanks Gizmokid2005 - gotta go.
14:17:10 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
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15:57:48 <DHag> Just a quick question: Can I download just the Portableapps platform, with no apps? FAQ on support page mentions three versions: Platform Only, Light or Standard
15:59:14 <Gizmokid2005> DHag: sounds like you answered your own question..
16:00:01 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/download <-- there is the download location for the platform DHag
16:00:09 <DHag> Let me rephrase: Where can I get "Light" or "Platform only." Only download link I can find is for the standard install.
16:01:24 <DHag> Three options on that link.Standard. Standard plus Music. Buy a pre-loaded USB.
16:07:22 <DHag> Installer does not offer options.
16:11:17 <DHag> I guess it's load the full load, then uninstall the unwanted apps, then.
16:12:30 <marlop> DHag:
16:12:51 <marlop> use the link to the left
16:14:19 <marlop> the suites are not being done anymore
16:14:38 <marlop> the standart is only the platform
16:15:07 <DHag> Thanks.
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16:15:30 <marlop> you're welcome
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18:37:55 <surya> Hi there
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18:38:10 <Gizmokid2005> hello surya
18:38:22 <Guest21936> Hi
18:38:31 <Guest21936> I am looking for some help with Licensing of Portable Apps
18:38:45 <Guest21936> I cant find such info on PortableApps website
18:38:52 <Guest21936> Can anyone please help?
18:39:02 <Gizmokid2005> Guest21936: what are you looking for?
18:39:04 <Guest21936> Hi Giz
18:39:52 <Guest21936> I want to bundle some of the Applications which are made portable by PortableApps in my own platform.
18:40:19 <Guest21936> I want to make sure I dont infringe on anyone's work.
18:40:45 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
18:41:18 <Gizmokid2005> Guest21936: this is likely going to be the most useful: http://portableapps.com/about/contact#business
18:41:29 <Gizmokid2005> the Softare & Hardware partnership section
18:41:33 <Guest21936> The only license details I found was the EULA during installation of portable apps platform.
18:41:59 <Gizmokid2005> at the core, so long as what you're doing conforms to the GPL, it's going to be ok.
18:42:09 <Gizmokid2005> that's the general rule of thumb.
18:42:17 <Guest21936> Oh ok..
18:42:55 <Guest21936> I am getting a lawyer to help us on this, i really want to make sure we are in good terms with portableApps
18:43:27 <Guest21936> I will surely contact them via your link, thank you very much.
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19:31:41 <pa_9081> hey everyone
19:31:49 <vf2nsr> hi
19:33:01 <pa_9081> What exactly does a program do when it "installs" itself? Why an exe installer instead of a zip file that a user can just extract and start running the program? (referring to standalone programs and not using the portable apps menu)
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19:35:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_9081: Exe is smaller due to stronger compression.
19:35:22 <techfreak243> yeah
19:35:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It also automatically checks its integrity before extracting the files.
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19:36:02 <vf2nsr> pa_9081: also installers can write data to registry as well as app data folders
19:36:22 <techfreak243> and it checks system specs
19:36:49 <pa_9081> vf2nsr: i thought the whole idea behind pa is that it doesn't touch the registry
19:36:52 <vf2nsr> so there are many reasons why it is create as an exe
19:37:10 <vf2nsr> you said not using pa meni
19:37:28 <vf2nsr> menu
19:37:43 <vf2nsr> standalone programs and not using the portable apps menu)
19:37:56 <vf2nsr> so thought you were asking generic wuestion
19:38:10 <vf2nsr> question
19:38:55 <vf2nsr> so make up mind are we talking generically or PA wis?
19:39:10 <pa_9081> ok, fair enough....to be more specific, a portable app downloaded exe can be installed as part of the pa menu (which I have never used) or as a standalone program, I was referring to using a portableapps installer as a standalone program
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19:39:36 <vf2nsr> then it creates the proper directory structure
19:39:39 <pa_9081> as described: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_app#installing
19:39:39 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399
19:40:02 <vf2nsr> as a zip file deos not always do so
19:40:23 <TPFC-SYSTEM> vf2nsr: Any directory structure is possible with ZIP.
19:40:55 <vf2nsr> but it is not always followed
19:41:06 <vf2nsr> I can unzip a file and put stuff wehre ever I want
19:41:56 <vf2nsr> and that refers to installing seperate files downloaded vs the install from the platform
19:42:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK, I see.
19:43:45 <vf2nsr> so I guess hte real question is what is the question or issue that you are having
19:44:32 <vf2nsr> all pa exe files are are self extracting zip files anyway
19:44:56 <pa_9081> I'm just wanting to know what the "installation" does to the machine
19:45:11 <pa_9081> if it is just a self-extracting zip, that's the best news I could get :)
19:45:14 <vf2nsr> if it is to main hard drive it installs a folder that is all
19:45:25 <vf2nsr> if done to plat form on a usb device does nothing
19:46:43 <sar3th> pa_9081: yes, it basically is a self-extracting archive with additional code to detect the install location and some other things like additional features
19:47:40 <vf2nsr> as long as you launch the file from the available launcher no changes generally take place on host system
19:47:57 <pa_9081> but doesn't actually make any changes to the host system except putting the necessary files in a folder?
19:48:51 <pa_9081> ...at the specified location
19:49:00 <sar3th> i assume the later one
19:49:09 <sar3th> but it can install and download additional files for you
19:49:15 <vf2nsr> if installed, used and closed appropriately then correct
19:49:56 <sar3th> vf2nsr: no, he is talking about the installation process, not the application itself
19:51:21 <vf2nsr> I understand However do not want to imply a false sense of securty just because you install it does not mean it will make no changes if used incorrectly
19:53:31 <vf2nsr> which imho is why it is best to use platform as opposed to standalone makes it safer all around
19:54:19 <pa_9081> excellent, this has been very helpful.....perhaps I can recommend a change to the page I linked to earlier to indicate that the .paf.exe files are simply self-extracting zip files
19:55:30 <vf2nsr> I believe you took that sentenc eout of context
19:55:42 <vf2nsr> But can not check as the site is in maintenance right now
19:56:40 <pa_9081> wow, it appears to be, it wasn't a few minutes ago :(
19:57:02 <vf2nsr> ok back now
19:57:27 <vf2nsr> the page you are referring to is for downloading seperate programs like the beta or develop builds
19:57:38 <vf2nsr> as opposed to from th eplatoform
19:58:01 <vf2nsr> in that case you download and save file then click it to install into platform
19:58:18 <pa_9081> i got to it from the page of one of the apps where it says support and then "installing a portable app"
19:58:48 <pa_9081> i was looking to do just standalone without the platform....never really considered or looked in to the platform
19:59:27 <vf2nsr> well read entire page
20:00:15 <vf2nsr> as u only took a snippet
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21:17:41 <GordCaswell> vf2nsr: still trying to getting GizmoBot to say something about you?
21:22:04 <vf2nsr> I never pushed it cause did not quite know how
21:22:06 <vf2nsr> lol
21:22:16 <vf2nsr> Besides it might not be G rated
21:22:33 <GordCaswell> go to #gizmokid2005
21:23:04 <GordCaswell> type: .def vf2nsr <whateveryouwantgizmobottosayhere>
21:25:11 <vf2nsr> ok think it worked?
21:25:21 <vf2nsr> so is that one shot or ??
21:26:03 <GordCaswell> .def vf2nsr
21:26:03 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr <Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620>
21:26:19 <GordCaswell> yup. Unless gizmobot forgets about you. It happens sometimes
21:26:33 <vf2nsr> ah ok
21:26:35 <vf2nsr> ty
21:27:01 <GordCaswell> no problem. and to change it, you just do the exact same thing
21:27:23 <GordCaswell> gotta go, need to flash my router's firmware
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21:28:17 <vf2nsr> ty gizmobot
21:28:17 <GizmoBot> Yw vf2nsr!
21:28:33 <vf2nsr> some day will get hang of things
21:33:37 <vf2nsr> well time to go make dinner bbl all
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22:45:51 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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