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01:35:13 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399
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01:36:58 <kronophskiy> heh
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03:10:23 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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03:39:24 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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12:39:44 <pa_2467> hello!
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13:34:50 <Themis> Hello guys, Can anyone help me? I have a question about LiveZilla portable...
13:40:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What kind of help do you need?
13:41:25 <Themis> I tried to copy a Livezilla USB version I found on their site to my new PortableApps stick I bought a few days ago, but I can't...
13:42:07 <Themis> Also I can't create folders etc...
13:44:10 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It should be possible to add application to the menu following these instructions: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
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13:44:27 <Themis> I have other portable apps that I use and I can't copy any of them to the USB stick... Is it write-protected?
13:44:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What happens if you try to copy something to the stick?
13:45:59 <Themis> Well, the folder PortableApps is read only...
13:46:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I meant, do you get any error messages?
13:47:13 <Themis> Yes, it's in Greek, it's something like: Error copying the file...
13:47:52 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If it were in English, I'd just google it... :/
13:48:32 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, there are many reasons why file copying can fail.
13:48:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Especially hardware problems and permission issues.
13:49:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Is the partition formatted in NTFS?
13:49:13 <Themis> My OS is Win XP in Greek... I see that the folder is read only, but why?
13:49:46 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Again, it's most likely hardware or permissions.
13:50:08 <Themis> I had my own 1GB usb stick where I installed portableapps suite and many programs and everything worked just fine...
13:50:37 <Themis> I still can install Apps using the menu...
13:51:06 <Themis> I mean using the PortableApps suite integrated option...
13:51:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It's a bit hard to believe.
13:51:20 <Themis> I know...
13:51:44 <Themis> Do you think that it matters I use it on a usb 2.0 laptop?
13:52:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It might matter.
13:52:16 <Themis> OK. But all apps work fine...
13:52:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If the problem is related to permissions, it may be only a single user account on a particular computer is allowed to write.
13:53:09 <Themis> And when I try to copy files, after the above error, it says to copy As Administrator (using Total Commander)
13:53:36 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Have you tried that?
13:54:17 <Themis> What? As administrator?
13:54:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, as administrator.
13:55:08 <Themis> I really don't know the password. Mainly I use Ubuntu. I just bought this to work when I'm out of the office, at a client, etc.
13:55:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :/
13:56:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If it's a permission issue, fixing the problem or maybe even finding it requires admin rights.
13:58:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hmm, the problem may also be fixable via Ubuntu.
13:59:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Shortly: chmod -R 777 /media/your-usb-drive
14:01:13 <Themis> I will boot into Ubuntu and will try to change permissions... F@#* Windblows... Thank you guys...
14:01:41 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Sure thing.
14:02:47 <Themis> Have a nice day...
14:03:33 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Thanks, you too! :)
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20:21:28 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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20:49:09 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/26399
20:50:21 <vf2nsr> Hi GordCaswell
20:50:37 <GordCaswell> hey
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20:55:40 <vf2nsr> oops closed wrong window lol
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22:17:26 <pa_1838> Hello, I have just downloaded some portable apps and the menu system - and it has DELETED EVERYTHING on my SD card!! at no point was there any warning of this, nor was I advised to remove the stuff myself - I AM FURIOUS - What has happened? has it been moved or something? can i recover it? why would you havce software that does this an not warn anyone? thanks
22:18:41 <benedikt93> the installer does *not* delete anything, it merely copies it's files to the drive
22:20:01 <benedikt93> thus I'd assume that either your sd card or port is dying, you might want to try it on another port(pc
22:20:18 <pa_1838> its has deleted everything though...everyhting that was on the disk has gone
22:21:17 <pa_1838> SD has rarely been used, as has the machine... so i doubt itd be dying...?
22:22:29 <benedikt93> "it" has not deleted anything, it might just have stressed the drive enough for it to fail. Flash memory (especially if cheap) haa a limited lifetime
22:23:24 <pa_1838> as i say the disk is fairly new and rarely used. - how can is 'stress it?
22:23:40 <pa_1838> the disk still has all the apps on etc
22:24:53 <pa_1838> if the disk was dying would everything have gone? all thats left is all your apps and sopftware and an empty folder!
22:28:24 <benedikt93> you may try recovering data with e.g. http://www.piriform.com/recuva , but first I'd try another card reader/ port that the reader is connected to
22:28:55 <pa_1838> i am assuming your software has formatted the disk...why would it do that without warning?
22:30:26 <pa_1838> the disk still works fine... i have tested it = added other stuff to it to test it...
22:30:33 <benedikt93> it *does not* format the disk, as I said. You should at least *consider* that your sd card or reader might be broken and verify whether it is or not
22:31:14 <benedikt93> the disk still works fine... i have tested it = added other stuff to it to test it... <-- which in turn could've overwritten remnants of the previous contents
22:31:38 <benedikt93> try the aforementioned recuva or similiar software before overwriting even more
22:32:08 <benedikt93> there could have been a corrupted block or something on the memory
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22:38:49 <pa_1838> i added stuff just now...because you said to test it...not before i installed your software. all the stuff was there and working fine immediately before i i9nstalled your software... why would there suddenly be a corrupted block or a fault? i understand what youre saying but i dont see how that is likely - given that the disk in fine now...
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22:41:00 <pa_1838> benedikt93 - do you work for the company or are you a user?
22:42:32 <benedikt93> The memory controller can usually reallocate blocks (on layer below the filesystem) to some spare ones in case they break, but if e.g. one critical to the filesystem becomes corrupted it cannot restore its contents, allthough the actual files may still exist.
22:46:01 <benedikt93> I'm user as most other people here, too, with some understanding of the concept behind the software. But this isn't a company in a classic sense, it's sort of community driven, with only the founder (John Haller) working full time at it.
22:48:33 <pa_1838> recuver appears to have found the files and is currently putting them back - hopefully they will work ok - thank you for that bit of advice, but are you saying no-one has ever had this happen before with your software?
22:49:30 <pa_1838> ahh, sorry i thought you all were the 'company'.
22:50:31 <benedikt93> I remember someone a few days ago, but disappearing data is definitely not 'usual'
22:52:05 <pa_1838> if anyone from the company is here, perhaps there should be some sort of warning on the site then - just suggesting it is possible and relocate their files elsewhere temporarily until the installation etc is up and running.,..just to be safe... not everyone may be able to recover their files...and could lose very important stuff
22:55:57 <pa_1838> the files are back now thankfully - thankyou for your help - also i need some help with getting the software to work too - do i just ask here or do i need to go to a different bit?
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22:58:07 <pa_1838> when i click on anything in the - any icons - start, the usb stick icon, all the app icons, i just get a black window open for a few minseconds then ist disappears....why wont the software work? do i need somethhing else? thanks
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23:16:28 <Simeon> hi all
23:17:08 <Simeon> @pa_1838: No normally you dont need anything else.
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23:21:57 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
23:24:10 <Simeon> hi vf2nsr
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23:26:22 <vf2nsr> Hi Simeon
23:26:28 <Simeon> hi pa_5513
23:26:43 <vf2nsr> Still trying to figure how to get my aliad working lol
23:27:03 <vf2nsr> me and IRC do not get along
23:27:15 <Simeon> aliad?
23:27:31 <vf2nsr> alias
23:27:42 <vf2nsr> sorry fat fingers small keyboard
23:28:08 <Simeon> d'you need a new one or what
23:28:40 <pa_5513> hello, when i click on anything in the SD card - any icons - start, the usb stick icon, all the app icons, i just get a black window open for a few seconds then it disappears....why wont the software work? do i need somethhing else? i am window XP thanks
23:28:40 <vf2nsr> Well added this alias to name but would like it to log me in as it so to speak
23:29:09 <Simeon> @pa_5513: Normally you dont.
23:29:29 <Simeon> Is it the same SD-card you were talking about earlier?
23:30:19 <Simeon> I have only seen the behaviour you are describing with borked installes. does it get better if you reinstall the app in question.
23:30:46 <pa_5513> yes, everything is on that. everything else works on it...its a pretty new card. but im not sure if i downloaded everything properly because i downloaded the apps first...i am not sure if i need something else to add to make it work
23:31:14 <pa_5513> thanks simeon - do you mean the main thing or everything?
23:31:59 <pa_5513> i havent tried to reinstall yet... do i delete the install then reintsal - or just install over it? thanks
23:32:25 <pa_5513> i wondered if it didnt work on XP or something you see
23:33:01 <Simeon> it works on XP, most of it even on Win 2000.
23:33:13 <vf2nsr> I have platform and apps installed on a 8gb card on my XP netbook works well
23:33:32 <Simeon> you can reinstall the update/new copy right over the existing one without losing your personal data. We call it in-place-updates.
23:34:07 <Simeon> i meant the one that doesnt work. does the menu/platform show up with your apps listed?
23:35:33 <pa_5513> i installed the apps first, i didnt know you needed the platform thing you see... but when i installed it, it recognised them all and ran through them as it installed...
23:36:57 <vf2nsr> bbl
23:37:00 <pa_5513> in the SD card i icons sating 'start' on a grey arrow, one with a little pic of a USB stic, autorun and a folder labell portable apps, whoch i copied all my apps into....
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23:37:57 <Simeon> the menu doesnt need them, its just more convenient. the apps work with other menus too.
23:38:44 <Simeon> so you have start.exe Documents and PortableApps folders in the root of your SD-card and all the app folders (for example 7zipPortable) inside the PortableApps folder?
23:39:27 <Simeon> and the menu doesnt start?
23:39:35 <pa_5513> yes
23:39:45 <pa_5513> yes its just a black window appears
23:39:53 <Simeon> not ok.:(
23:40:32 <pa_5513> ah...oh dear...is that everything? do i need to install anything else?
23:41:00 <pa_5513> do i need to restart or anything...i havent removed the disk
23:41:26 <Simeon> assuming you didnt make any big, unrecoverable changes to the menu settings, I would suggest you close the menu (if running), delete /PortableApps/PortableApps.com/Data and reinstall the menu.
23:41:41 <Simeon> ill talk you through, ok?
23:42:03 <pa_5513> yes tha would be great... im not sure which is the menu
23:42:21 <Simeon> the one that lists the apps, the one that is crashing in your case.
23:43:06 <Simeon> it should look like this: http://cdn.portableapps.com/_features_-_organize.png
23:43:38 <pa_5513> the apps were all separate before you see...i installed them first and they were listed as individual icons, until i copied them all into the folder
23:44:15 <Simeon> what do you mean by "individual icons"?
23:44:17 <pa_5513> ah right, no havent had that at all... nothing at all has happened
23:45:08 <pa_5513> each app, such as 7zip, is blue box with a white centre, in the SD card
23:45:58 <Simeon> whats your drive letter?
23:46:59 <pa_5513> then when i realised clicking on them wouldnt work i went back and installed the platform...which gave me a usb stick icon, when i managed to get that going it intsalled for a while and ran through all the apps i had installed, then i had the grey circle with the arrow in
23:47:09 <pa_5513> its D
23:47:27 <Simeon> and the app folders are inside the D/PortableApps folder?
23:48:00 <pa_5513> yes they are now... they were just in the D folder initially until i moved them into it
23:48:10 <Simeon> ok
23:48:34 <Simeon> could you delete D/PortableApps/PortableApps.com/Data and reinstall the menu?
23:50:36 <pa_5513> where will that be? is that the folder name? this one just says portableapps, the other says portableapps.com/platform ... there isnt one that says data
23:51:51 <Simeon> yes that should be a folder in the root of you SD-card.
23:52:11 <Simeon> what is inside D/portableapps?
23:52:36 <Simeon> I think you got the layout wrong and we need to figure out how it is.
23:56:13 <pa_5513> yes i think so... when i open the SD card, there are 6 icons...autorun, start, and the usb stick, labelled portableapps,com/platform, and 2 yellw folders labelled documents and portableapps, and one XPI file, labelled downthemalll(no idea what that is)
23:56:56 <Simeon> downthemall is a firefox extention
23:57:04 <Simeon> for easier downloading.
23:57:43 <pa_5513> ah yes i remember now ...can i save the actuall portable apps into another place, then just delete the other stuff... would that work?
23:58:22 <Simeon> what other stuff?
23:58:34 <Simeon> it should work without deleting anything
23:58:38 <pa_5513> the start arrow button and the usb stick etc
23:58:46 <Simeon> yes. delete those
23:58:49 <pa_5513> then reinstall
23:58:52 <pa_5513> ok
23:58:56 <pa_5513> ill do that now
23:59:01 <Simeon> and delete portableapps/portableapps.com
23:59:13 <Simeon> thats the folder the menu is installed into