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00:10:58 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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02:10:29 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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15:17:59 <pa_8535> how do i save a document to portable apps under the documents folder on the meny
15:18:24 <pa_8535> *menu
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17:29:20 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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18:29:38 <PatrickPowell> any one know if it is possible to write a custom.nsh for installer to read the loacation of the laumch and then write that information to another program before the exe is launched?
18:30:22 <PatrickPowell> or am I asking too much of the custom coding?
18:31:42 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPowell: what are you trying to do?
18:32:09 <PatrickPowell> Ok well I figured a way to get RNB up anr running by including my own fonts
18:32:27 <PatrickPowell> and I need to tell the conf file where to search the fonts
18:32:40 <PatrickPowell> as long as it is in same place it works great
18:32:55 <PatrickPowell> so I need it to recognize a variable which I can not seem to get to work
18:33:04 <JohnTHaller> shouldn't be done by the installer. should be done in the launcher only. remember, the app could be moved after install and before run. and Data can be wiped at any time and the app needs to start from scratch.
18:33:30 <PatrickPowell> I did say launcher not installer
18:33:50 <JohnTHaller> "ny one know if it is possible to write a custom.nsh for installer to read the loacation of the laumch and then write that information to another program before the exe is launched?"
18:34:02 <PatrickPowell> I want it to read the launch location and write that to a file
18:34:14 <PatrickPowell> correct
18:34:20 <PatrickPowell> nothing about the installer there
18:34:33 <PatrickPowell> oik I see
18:34:35 <JohnTHaller> "custom.nsh for installer"
18:34:36 <PatrickPowell> tytpo king
18:34:42 <PatrickPowell> I meant launcher
18:34:51 <PatrickPowell> excuse me for being hum,an
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18:39:00 <Ray039> hey im trying to install the video files for warzone 2100 and im getting a File not found error on the installer
18:39:18 <JohnTHaller> lemme check
18:40:08 <JohnTHaller> Argh. They moved them again.
18:41:49 <JohnTHaller> Do you want standard or lo (or high which is 1GB)?
18:41:54 <Ray039> high plz
18:42:04 <JohnTHaller> Download this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/warzone2100/files/warzone2100/Videos/high-quality-en/sequences.wz/download
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18:42:14 <GizmoBot> PatPowell|away is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
18:42:28 <Ray039> or standard i thought i would tell you about the error
18:42:32 <JohnTHaller> Save it to your Warzone2100Portable\App\Warzone 2100 directory. Make sure it saves as sequences.wz and not .zip
18:42:42 <Ray039> ok
18:42:43 <JohnTHaller> I'm rebuilding the video installers now. Thanks for the heads up.
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18:56:59 <JohnTHaller> PatrickPowell: you ok, man?
18:57:52 <PatrickPowell> OK this is file http://pastebin.com/8wYN970E I need to figure how to create a launcher to change line 36 directory location before file is launched each time to show the current location of file
18:58:01 <PatrickPowell> I believe I have no typo's now
18:58:34 <PatrickPowell> I am not sure if it do it with custom.nsh or can use built in filewrite
18:58:39 <PatrickPowell> of the PAL
18:58:52 <JohnTHaller> it wasn't about the typos. i genuinely didn't know what you were asking before and thought you were asking about installer custom code, since that's what you typed.
18:58:54 <PatrickPowell> If I can get this I might have solution for RNB
18:59:17 <PatrickPowell> 1 time I ref installer 4 times Launcher
18:59:46 <PatrickPowell> whatever Now I have it correct, guess I was excited since I thnk I found a fix to issue the has been goin gon for year
18:59:55 <JohnTHaller> yeah, but it's a totally different thing and I read it as you trying to get the installer to write out a file for the launcher to use. no big deal and nothing to get upset about.
19:00:02 <JohnTHaller> heh
19:00:11 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... that is a tough file to crack.
19:00:27 <JohnTHaller> You gonna have the file in DefaultData first right?
19:00:51 <PatrickPowell> It needs to be in th elocation...\etc\fonts
19:01:03 <JohnTHaller> This file that I'm looking at does?
19:01:13 <PatrickPowell> unless I do a directory move of entire directory
19:01:34 <PatrickPowell> determines font location for fontconfig scan
19:01:54 <PatrickPowell> So I gues I could do a directories move from default to the app folder
19:01:59 <JohnTHaller> No, no moves of directories. Are the fonts gonna be in that location?
19:02:10 <PatrickPowell> yes
19:02:20 <JohnTHaller> Ok, here's the solution.:
19:02:31 <PatrickPowell> in other weords have it include fonts and bypass the windows font scan
19:02:52 <JohnTHaller> 1. Have the PAL launcher move that folder back and forth to the Data directory somewhere and have no copy of it in that location by default.
19:03:03 <PatrickPowell> ok
19:03:22 <PatrickPowell> and?
19:04:07 <JohnTHaller> 2. Include the file in DefaultData and have that line read: <dir>(INITIALFONTSPATH)\App\Rednotebook\etc\fonts</dir>
19:04:30 <JohnTHaller> Actually, make that <dir>(INITIALFONTSPATH)</dir>
19:04:52 <PatrickPowell> ok let me try
19:05:27 <JohnTHaller> 3. Update your launcher.ini to do a replace on that file within Data to update from (INITIALFONTSPATH) to %PAL:AppDir%\Rednotebook\etc\fonts
19:05:46 <JohnTHaller> 4. Update your launcher.ini to update drive letter and partial path on that file in Data
19:06:01 <JohnTHaller> I've used this exact technique with at least 2 other apps previously.
19:06:05 <PatrickPowell> whoa
19:06:21 <PatrickPowell> update with filewrite?
19:06:41 <JohnTHaller> FileWriteN Type=Replace, yes
19:07:08 <JohnTHaller> Did you check to see if you can manually use a relative path in that file first of all?
19:07:46 <PatrickPowell> yes I tried
19:07:48 <JohnTHaller> Something like <dir>.\</dir>
19:07:57 <PatrickPowell> Either I know not what I am doin gor I can not do it
19:07:58 <JohnTHaller> Ok
19:08:13 <JohnTHaller> SOme apps don't support it. Especially cross platform ones.
19:08:22 <JohnTHaller> That 4 step process should work for it, though
19:08:49 <PatrickPowell> write now it defaults is <dir>WINDOWSDIRPATH
19:08:52 <JohnTHaller> Basically we just seed the default value with something we write out on first run and then have PAL just update the path from then on.
19:09:05 <JohnTHaller> Did you see if it accepts other env vars?
19:09:11 <PatrickPowell> ok let me try I never used filewrite
19:09:21 <PatrickPowell> I tried standard ones I know of
19:09:42 <PatrickPowell> BUT I am not really a programmer....just play one on tv
19:09:43 <PatrickPowell> lol
19:10:03 <PatrickPowell> hence why it has taken me 3 weeks to figure out
19:10:13 <PatrickPowell> and even then not sur eif it works
19:10:28 <PatrickPowell> BUT in hard coded test works and I can even use the cleantemp
19:10:33 <PatrickPowell> instead of making false
19:10:59 <PatrickPowell> I should just be able to move the file and not directory?
19:11:49 <JohnTHaller> [FilesMove]
19:11:54 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/ref/launcher.ini/filesystem.html
19:12:14 <PatrickPowell> yes have that page open now actually
19:12:15 <JohnTHaller> gotta run. back in a bit
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19:12:26 <PatrickPowell> ok ty will muddle through it
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19:54:27 <PatrickPowell> FWIW I am not getting what JOhn said to wrok in the file oh well back to drawing board
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20:18:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
20:20:21 <PatrickPowell> FYI JohnTHallerif you happen to read the log you are correct I was leaving off a letter in file name
20:21:20 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
20:21:29 <JohnTHaller> hi
20:22:22 <ZachThibeau> I'm finally getting a decent job and my own apartment
20:22:27 <JohnTHaller> nice
20:22:30 <JohnTHaller> :)
20:22:33 <JohnTHaller> congrats
20:22:34 <ZachThibeau> indeed
20:22:37 <ZachThibeau> and thanks
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20:33:38 <pa_1953> hello?
20:33:44 <Simeon> hi all
20:34:23 <pa_1953> can someone help me with downloading the portable apps platfomr to a cloud storage website?
20:34:55 <Simeon> download locally and then upload it there...?
20:36:09 <Simeon> thats the only thing I can think of.
20:36:34 <pa_1953> ok ill try
20:36:53 <Simeon> I doubt there is a way to upload it directly from the server its on.
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20:40:24 <pa_1953> so after i upload it form my computer is there any way to run the programs from the cloud?
20:41:37 <Simeon> only if you mount/map the cloud drive to a drive letter.
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20:43:17 <pa_1953> so i would have to do that serpertaley from each computer im on right?
20:43:46 <Simeon> yes.
20:44:19 <pa_1953> how would i do that?
20:44:36 <Simeon> Sorry cant help you there. Never used it myself.
20:44:54 <Simeon> hopefully someone can chime in...
20:44:58 <pa_1953> ok, thx for the help
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20:47:07 <pa_2525> portable apps! "Download, install, and GO"
20:47:11 <pa_2525> "portable"
20:47:13 <pa_2525> "install"
20:47:17 <pa_2525> are you guys trolling us?
20:47:41 <Simeon> What?
20:47:48 <Simeon> who is "us"?
20:47:59 <pa_2525> the general public
20:49:49 <Simeon> depends on your definiton of "install" in a portable sense...
20:50:55 <pa_2525> portable, by its very definition implies it does not need to be installed
20:50:57 <gluxon> pa_2525: Not to be mean here, but I believe your definition of "install" is completely wrong
20:51:06 <gluxon> pa_2525: Incorrect.
20:51:36 <gluxon> Portable means to be able to carry around with ease.
20:51:38 <pa_2525> a portable app should run as a standalone file, or run in a container folder
20:51:59 <gluxon> That is the simple definition, but there are standards for a portable app.
20:52:16 <gluxon> pa_2525: All our portable apps run in a contained folder.
20:52:27 <pa_2525> guess i'm looking for the wrong term then. what would it be called instead? "standalone" apps? searching turns up nul results
20:53:24 <gluxon> I believe standalone apps would be the right term.
20:53:43 <gluxon> Most of ours are, with exceptions for apps that require .NET or Java due to how they're programmed.
20:53:57 <Simeon> back 2-3 years, our apps came as zip files. But then there was the need for more advanced stuff so the installer was chosen.
20:54:26 <pa_2525> hmm, so what does the installer generally do? simply unload to a target folder?
20:54:31 <gluxon> And by advanced stuff, we mean upgrading settings profiles.
20:54:34 <Simeon> but a contest for a better word than "installer" would be fun too :)
20:55:01 <gluxon> pa_2525: Upload to the target folder, and make upgrades to the application as necessary.
20:55:12 <gluxon> If the application is already installed.
20:55:24 <pa_2525> so no touching the registry?
20:55:31 <Simeon> the installer unpacks the files. Besides that it can unpack certain files based on the version of the app. Or move settings files around if the layout changed.
20:55:35 <gluxon> pa_2525: The installer only touches the folder you specify.
20:55:36 <Simeon> no
20:55:57 <Simeon> it copies certain plugin files to TEMP, ut deletes them on exit.
20:56:30 <gluxon> pa_2525: It gets more complicated with different scenarios, but in simple terms, when the installer is done, the only folder that is modified is the folder you placed in the path.
20:56:47 <pa_2525> alright thanks for the clarification guys
20:58:43 <Simeon> youre welcome. (as long as you keep using the apps :))
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21:01:27 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
21:06:51 <Simeon> hi PatrickPowell
21:14:32 <Simeon> bye all
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21:40:46 <going-crazy> bbl need a break hence the nick lol
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21:53:26 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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22:38:44 <kAlug> hi all
23:13:59 <PatrickPowell> Hi kAlug
23:25:45 <kAlug> PatrickPowell: How you doing?
23:25:55 <PatrickPowell> Ugh
23:26:07 <PatrickPowell> still working on RNB issues thought found answer
23:26:12 <PatrickPowell> and maybe still do
23:26:30 <PatrickPowell> But just discovered something I need to check
23:26:32 <PatrickPowell> You?
23:34:22 <kAlug> Just finished working on tweaking Chromium Portable's search engine list. Finally a new release.
23:34:48 <PatrickPowell> awesome
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23:50:35 <GizmoBot> PatrickPowell is a PortableApps.com developer. The apps he is working on can be found here: http://portableapps.com/node/30620
23:50:52 <PatrickPowell> must have closed wrong windwo
23:51:02 <PatrickPowell> thought I was here all the time