IRC Log from 2012-03-24

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00:01:31 <pa_6711> just a quick question - how do I add a non-portable-app to the menu?
00:03:25 <pa_6711> thank you very much!
00:04:08 <kAlug|Away> pa_6711: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
00:11:57 <pa_6711> super sweet mate, that was good help, all is well now, thanks!
00:12:25 <pa_6711> and, if you guys have anything to do with PA.com, thanks!!!
00:13:20 <kAlug|Away> You're welcome
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02:01:08 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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02:58:33 <vf2nsr> ZachThibeau: you familiar with the PA Launcher?
02:59:27 <vf2nsr> trying to figure which occurs first the file move or the filewrite?
03:02:25 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Most likely what is listed first.
03:03:19 <gluxon> In the INI file.
03:03:56 <vf2nsr> OK so ini file is in Data I move it to the App Dir
03:04:11 <vf2nsr> should I be writing to the file that was in Data and then it moves
03:04:24 <vf2nsr> or should I write to it in app because that is where it is moved to?
03:04:32 <vf2nsr> see what I mean?
03:05:19 <vf2nsr> just want to get sequence of operations correct
03:08:56 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Have you tried it? If you're not able to at the moment (restricted computer), I can test for you.
03:09:24 <vf2nsr> Yes I am trying it and neither seems to work
03:09:51 <gluxon> Neither works? That's strange..
03:09:54 <vf2nsr> Thinking I need to sart with it in appdir then move it as opposed to start in data and move to app
03:10:08 <vf2nsr> seems it has to be in apdir first?
03:10:13 <vf2nsr> let me try that
03:12:37 <vf2nsr> hmm that no work either
03:13:02 <vf2nsr> this may be an odd one where I can not move it?
03:13:21 <vf2nsr> weird thing is I can not seem to write to it either
03:13:42 <gluxon> Let me give it a shot.
03:13:57 <gluxon> The file isn't marked as read-only, is it?
03:14:25 <vf2nsr> should not be since the config file uses it and writes to it but let me check
03:15:05 <gluxon> Okay, give me a minute to reboot into Windows.
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03:20:45 <gluxon> Sorry that took so long.
03:20:49 <PatrickPowell> Np
03:20:57 <PatrickPowell> BTW changed nick lol
03:21:04 <PatrickPowell> but still me
03:21:07 <gluxon> Yeah I noticed :)
03:21:12 <gluxon> Do you mind pastbining your launcher ini?
03:21:24 <PatrickPowell> want the whole file?
03:21:34 <PatrickPowell> I got itr on media in 7z
03:21:41 <PatrickPowell> for you
03:21:42 <gluxon> That would be great.
03:21:53 <PatrickPowell> mind if I give it in im?
03:22:23 <PatrickPowell> cause once you have it I will remove it
03:25:08 <gluxon> PatrickPowell: AkelPad Portable uses a similar Launcher INI as yours.
03:25:24 <gluxon> Launch, FilesMove, FileWrite..
03:25:28 <PatrickPowell> ok let me look
03:25:42 <PatrickPowell> I have done this before but for some reason it is not working this time
03:25:55 <PatrickPowell> and wonder if it is the base config program or me
03:26:35 <gluxon> DefaultData has an l in front of it, that was accidently, righ?
03:27:09 <PatrickPowell> hmm maybe that is it?
03:27:18 <PatrickPowell> hang let me check
03:27:47 <PatrickPowell> no I tried that when I placed the file in the app dir
03:27:53 <PatrickPowell> to see if I could write to it there
03:28:01 <PatrickPowell> did not want it to messs it up
03:28:11 <PatrickPowell> which is why I commented out the file move
03:28:55 <PatrickPowell> figured I would start from scratch get the filewrite to work then implement filemove and default data
03:29:05 <gluxon> Well, according to your first [FilesMove] function, TBTray.ini is moved to the AppDir from the same directory as the launcher exe.
03:29:11 <gluxon> I don't think that's intentional.
03:29:29 <gluxon> It's commented out right now though, as you said just now.
03:29:40 <PatrickPowell> correct
03:29:49 <PatrickPowell> been trying many combos
03:29:51 <PatrickPowell> that was last
03:29:54 <PatrickPowell> so commented that
03:30:09 <PatrickPowell> eventually it will be from data to app dir
03:30:52 <PatrickPowell> in file write should they be app instead of appdir?
03:31:04 <PatrickPowell> did I read the launcher manula wrong?
03:33:12 <gluxon> No, the second part is right.
03:33:22 <PatrickPowell> ok
03:33:42 <PatrickPowell> POTBP should point to the parent folder of this folder
03:33:56 <PatrickPowell> so if this folder is in C:|Gluxon
03:34:25 <PatrickPowell> I need it to point to c:\gluxon\ThunderbirdPortable
03:34:36 <gluxon> Ah, I think I found the problem.
03:34:41 <PatrickPowell> instead of C:|gluxon\test
03:34:46 <PatrickPowell> ok?
03:35:03 <gluxon> You have TBTray.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\TBTray\TBTray.ini
03:35:12 <gluxon> It should be settings\settings\TBTray.ini=%PAL:AppDir%\TBTray
03:35:19 <gluxon> ..
03:35:24 <gluxon> Without the double settings.
03:35:49 <PatrickPowell> but that would be if it was moved
03:35:56 <PatrickPowell> using current setup
03:36:06 <PatrickPowell> with it already in the app dir?
03:36:13 <PatrickPowell> it still not writing
03:36:52 <PatrickPowell> I am just trying to get it to work if it is in app now
03:37:02 <PatrickPowell> as I think I tried that with file move
03:37:05 <PatrickPowell> and did not work
03:37:20 <PatrickPowell> which is why I commneted the move
03:37:57 <PatrickPowell> the whole problem is no matter how I do it it will not read the ini
03:38:05 <PatrickPowell> oops I mean write to it
03:39:24 <gluxon> Well, when I first ran the program, the launcher created a folder called TBTray.ini
03:39:27 <gluxon> a "folder"
03:39:41 <PatrickPowell> where?
03:40:12 <PatrickPowell> what did you change to get it to do that?
03:40:23 <PatrickPowell> did you implement the filemove?
03:42:28 <gluxon> No, that was what I got when I cleared the Data folder and renamed DefaultData back.
03:42:33 <PatrickPowell> I am confused when I run what I sent you as it sits it opens the ini but none of the filewrite occurs
03:43:05 <PatrickPowell> OK BUT the issue was that even with out default data and with out file move it still will not write to the ini
03:43:35 <PatrickPowell> the problem at this point is no t in file move
03:43:39 <PatrickPowell> it is in filewrite
03:43:48 <gluxon> Okay, give me a minute to try that part.
03:44:02 <PatrickPowell> That is what I was askin gall along
03:44:20 <PatrickPowell> I know the other stuff was wrong that is why I commneted/change defaultdata folder name
03:44:33 <PatrickPowell> Sincve all previous attempts failed
03:44:55 <PatrickPowell> thought I would start with the program as it came to me so to speak
03:45:14 <PatrickPowell> thought I had explained that earlier
03:49:51 <gluxon> PatrickPowell: Alright, it turns out I was wrong earlier.
03:49:55 <PatrickPowell> now you understand?
03:49:56 <gluxon> FileWrite seems to occure first.
03:50:14 <PatrickPowell> which is why I tried not moving it
03:50:21 <PatrickPowell> but still could not get it to write
03:50:59 <PatrickPowell> ideally I need to move it since the rest of the program will depend on th eini being in data for other features
03:51:26 <PatrickPowell> so without moving it does it write for you?
03:51:32 <PatrickPowell> because it does not for me
03:52:05 <PatrickPowell> also is that a flaw in launcher? write occuring befor emove?
03:52:16 <PatrickPowell> or is it designed that way
03:53:04 <PatrickPowell> because at this point I am considering doing it all in custom launcher pre segment
03:54:24 <gluxon> I just got it to write :)
03:54:26 <PatrickPowell> frankly I would like to rewrite entire program but it uses Delphi and resource hacker neither which I have so could not recompile it
03:54:30 <PatrickPowell> ok HOW
03:55:00 <gluxon> I used Replace instead of INI in Type.
03:55:07 <PatrickPowell> cause only way I get it to write is with actual config program
03:55:20 <PatrickPowell> ok all instance?
03:55:38 <PatrickPowell> Now I feel stupid
03:55:42 <gluxon> Why?
03:55:56 <PatrickPowell> been trying to figure this out for over 48 hours
03:55:59 <gluxon> Replace worked, so it looks like the problem is with the INI keys.
03:56:24 <PatrickPowell> ok let me tryu it here on total program since I sent you a small part
03:56:26 <PatrickPowell> ok?
03:57:10 <gluxon> Why is the Key set to ThunderbirdPath?
03:57:21 <gluxon> I believe it should be the value you have set for Find
03:57:36 <PatrickPowell> because that is what it says in ini
03:57:43 <PatrickPowell> thunderbirdpath=
03:57:58 <PatrickPowell> this is a systray launcher for Thunderbird
03:58:11 <PatrickPowell> by default it will go to the on eon host
03:58:28 <PatrickPowell> so I though would be easier to preconfig it to go to portable Thubderbird
03:58:40 <PatrickPowell> so use would not have to search
03:58:52 <PatrickPowell> is that incorrect?
04:00:03 <gluxon> Okay, try this.
04:00:16 <gluxon> Instead of Find and Replace, use "Value"
04:00:49 <PatrickPowell> ?? I lost
04:02:42 <gluxon> PatrickPowell: Let me send you back the working copy, and I'll explain.
04:02:55 <PatrickPowell> ok
04:03:02 <gluxon> FileWrite2 and FileWrite3 were the same thing, right?
04:03:09 <gluxon> Just different attempts to get it to write?
04:03:31 <PatrickPowell> they were to update it after first run
04:03:42 <PatrickPowell> so path to thunderbird portable was always correct
04:03:51 <JWHough> sorry to interject, but is this the issue you were having with reading js from one file to another? PatrickPowell ?
04:04:07 <PatrickPowell> No it is not
04:04:13 <JWHough> ah, k carry on
04:04:16 <PatrickPowell> It is a totally different program \
04:04:38 <PatrickPowell> that issue has been dropped and revised the entire idea
04:04:55 <PatrickPowell> and now have a working plan in johns hands for that
04:05:29 <gluxon> http://gluxon.com/TestPortable.7z
04:05:46 <gluxon> Let me know when that is downloaded, so I can delete it :)
04:05:56 <PatrickPowell> done
04:06:01 <PatrickPowell> let me open and look
04:07:02 <PatrickPowell> hang on what was zip name?
04:07:24 <gluxon> TestPortable.7z?
04:07:36 <PatrickPowell> oops
04:08:06 <PatrickPowell> ok deleted wrong zip
04:08:49 <PatrickPowell> ok got it btw way that one you commented out
04:09:00 <gluxon> Yeah?
04:09:03 <gluxon> What was that by the way?
04:09:06 <PatrickPowell> is needed in case user decides to try to add it to windows start
04:09:16 <gluxon> Ah.
04:09:17 <PatrickPowell> the appdata one
04:09:25 <gluxon> Other than that, it works?
04:09:26 <PatrickPowell> as that is an option in program
04:09:31 <PatrickPowell> checking now
04:10:02 <PatrickPowell> appears to be
04:10:21 <gluxon> Sweet :)
04:10:21 <PatrickPowell> now I need to put it back into the whole program and see I appreciate the help
04:10:36 <PatrickPowell> so basically it boiled down to ini vs replace?
04:10:41 <gluxon> Yes.
04:10:46 <gluxon> INI files don't use Find/Replace.
04:10:57 <gluxon> You just set a Value
04:11:21 <PatrickPowell> ok but what I need is for it to replace that
04:11:25 <gluxon> The PAL Launcher was looking for "Value" since INI was set in type, and it didn't find it.
04:11:36 <PatrickPowell> as it would be used to determine if first run
04:11:43 <gluxon> It replaces whatever was in the key before.
04:12:02 <PatrickPowell> but if it is Yes I need it to remain yes
04:12:07 <gluxon> Oh.. You don't what that..
04:12:09 <PatrickPowell> wait
04:12:20 <PatrickPowell> let me try again
04:12:27 <PatrickPowell> first run it is Y
04:12:36 <PatrickPowell> I want it to replace WHY with N
04:12:44 <PatrickPowell> then it will not auto launch
04:12:55 <PatrickPowell> as part of the other code I have looks to see what the value is
04:13:15 <gluxon> Okay, in that case, you can either do an INI read, or replace that entire value with the key.
04:13:19 <PatrickPowell> if that value is yes it runs this
04:13:27 <PatrickPowell> if no it runs a different program
04:13:59 <PatrickPowell> tha tis what I thought I was doing in my original
04:14:06 <gluxon> You have to use CustomCode.nsh for that..
04:14:14 <PatrickPowell> I am
04:14:24 <PatrickPowell> BUT in case a user decides to reconfig it
04:14:28 <PatrickPowell> by running this
04:14:37 <PatrickPowell> it need to be here
04:14:47 <PatrickPowell> and I need to write that new value
04:14:56 <PatrickPowell> so I should do it in the custom?
04:15:19 <gluxon> Yes, since that's decision making code based on a value in the INI.
04:15:21 <PatrickPowell> hang on sec
04:15:46 <PatrickPowell> correct I have that but I am asking I should do the write part in custom as well?
04:16:43 <PatrickPowell> http://portableapps.com/node/31650#comment-192278 that is my custom
04:16:46 <PatrickPowell> so far
04:17:01 <PatrickPowell> so I should add the filewrite for why n there?
04:17:17 <gluxon> No, since it won't work.
04:17:25 <PatrickPowell> why not?
04:17:36 <PatrickPowell> that custom works now
04:17:49 <gluxon> The Launcher doesn't support checking for the value and replacing it on a condition.
04:17:49 <PatrickPowell> if value is WHY it runs config
04:17:58 <PatrickPowell> if no it runs base program
04:18:26 <PatrickPowell> Now I am royally confused
04:18:59 <PatrickPowell> OK Let me explain The first run is not part of the program originally
04:19:08 <gluxon> Okay.
04:19:11 <PatrickPowell> I added it so as to be able to launch the config
04:19:21 <PatrickPowell> on first run so it would setup th eini
04:19:28 <PatrickPowell> for runs of the base app
04:19:39 <PatrickPowell> my idea was once the config was run
04:19:51 <gluxon> So basically, it should only run config on first run.
04:19:56 <PatrickPowell> it would not have to be run again unless a user decided to
04:20:02 <PatrickPowell> Yes
04:20:14 <PatrickPowell> unless user wants to change things
04:20:22 <PatrickPowell> then they would manually have to run it
04:20:42 <PatrickPowell> or delete the data folder
04:20:51 <PatrickPowell> since all it contains is the ini
04:20:56 <PatrickPowell> then it would start from new
04:20:59 <PatrickPowell> so to speak
04:21:28 <gluxon> Okay, so Gord's code should work, right?
04:21:36 <PatrickPowell> yes it does
04:21:49 <PatrickPowell> but I need to figure how to deal with telling it it is first run
04:22:01 <PatrickPowell> hence the change in the ini I was trying to do
04:22:21 <PatrickPowell> where you changed find replace with value
04:22:46 <PatrickPowell> so does that find the why and replace it with no?
04:23:26 <PatrickPowell> letter for yes and replace it with the letter for no
04:23:52 <gluxon> The launcher ini I sent you replaces the FirstRun value with N as soon as it starts, so no.
04:24:01 <gluxon> I believed that to be what you wanted.
04:24:14 <PatrickPowell> yes that is so that would work
04:24:26 <gluxon> Wait, that is what you wanted?
04:24:30 <PatrickPowell> and if a user wanted to change config later I have them remove data
04:24:44 <PatrickPowell> and then they run again as if never had run before
04:24:53 <PatrickPowell> so I think that is what I wanted
04:25:02 <PatrickPowell> you are a genius
04:25:11 <gluxon> Thank you :)
04:25:14 <PatrickPowell> now let me try to work it all together
04:25:16 <gluxon> One problem though.
04:25:25 <PatrickPowell> ?
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04:25:37 <PatrickPowell> what is that?
04:25:38 <gluxon> The launcher INI is set to launcher TBTray\TBTray-Config.exe no matter what.
04:25:49 <PatrickPowell> that launcher is
04:25:57 <PatrickPowell> But see I have 2 launcher
04:26:04 <gluxon> :)
04:26:15 <PatrickPowell> and custom reads the value and depending on value launches correct launcher
04:26:22 <gluxon> Yep.
04:26:32 <PatrickPowell> I only sent you part because n othign was working as far as the replace
04:26:42 <PatrickPowell> so wanted to get that part working first
04:26:59 <PatrickPowell> if you like I wll send you whole oncew I get the changes made
04:27:08 <gluxon> Sure, if you would like me to look it over.
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04:27:11 <PatrickPowell> or it will be posted as a dev release soon
04:27:19 <PatrickPowell> ok let me work for a few on it
04:27:22 <gluxon> Hm... I'll just grab it then :)
04:27:28 <PatrickPowell> ok
04:27:30 <PatrickPowell> np
04:27:45 <gluxon> Alright, it's getting late down here, so Good night! :)
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04:27:53 <PatrickPowell> ok tyvm ttyl
04:28:08 <PatrickPowell> appreciate help
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06:47:24 <vf2nsr> can a program be freeware, open source as well a licensed by the Gnu GPL #2 or is the author just confused and calling it freeware?
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10:16:01 <pa_4311> Does anyone know where to change the name of the categories on the platform?
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16:54:47 <pa_0417> hey is there a way to install a portable app not in the portableapps.com app market?
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19:39:11 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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19:40:45 <JWHough> so does anyone know if I can change this: http://webchat.freenode.net/?nick=JWHough&auth&channels=portableapps,portableapps-dev,portableapps-ot&prompt=1# into something that will let me pre-fill the auth to services part?
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20:05:59 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
20:11:18 <vf2nsr> JWHough: why you loggin gin via web?
20:11:46 <JWHough> i prefer chrome
20:12:02 <JWHough> over dedicated im
20:12:04 <vf2nsr> Oh Ok
20:12:22 <vf2nsr> no add on for Chrome? I know FF has one
20:12:32 <vf2nsr> not real familiar with Chrome anymore
20:14:20 <vf2nsr> they have one for freenode
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20:16:16 <vf2nsr> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nhkcfbkpodjkallcfebgihcoglfaniep?utm_campaign=en&utm_source=ha-en-na-us-extensions-categories-google&utm_medium=ha
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20:18:58 <newuser> seems to rowk well to jwhough this is one I found
20:19:26 <newuser> just did a search and found 2 extensions
20:19:36 <JWHough> k
20:20:04 <vf2nsr> If you search there are two I see I installed both on chrome am on first one on list now
20:20:08 <vf2nsr> in newuser name
20:20:10 <JWHough> all that does is link to this http://webchat.freenode.net/
20:20:22 <vf2nsr> oh ok?
20:20:26 <JWHough> :(
20:20:34 <vf2nsr> so same as from PA Page?
20:21:37 <JWHough> ya
20:21:51 <vf2nsr> sorry
20:21:59 <vf2nsr> looks like they both do :(
20:22:02 <vf2nsr> I tried
20:22:09 <vf2nsr> let me try on emor ethingie
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20:24:08 <vf2nsr> guess all browser based ones do?
20:24:15 <vf2nsr> I tried
20:24:37 <vf2nsr> I think that is why I finally opted for Pidgin portable
20:24:51 <vf2nsr> and also got used to it an dinstalled it locally as well
20:26:58 <JWHough> I used to use InstantBird Portable, but I opted out
20:27:22 <JWHough> I just don't use IRC or chat for that matter outside of this
20:27:39 <vf2nsr> I only use Pidgin fo rthis
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20:38:27 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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20:44:34 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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20:53:28 <vf2nsr> gluxon: Appreciate the help yesterday
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20:53:57 <vf2nsr> gluxon: here is the "completed" project http://portableapps.com/node/31670
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21:14:11 <JWHough> gluxon
21:14:23 <JWHough> come play Hedgewars with me
21:15:20 <gluxon> Yo :)
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21:23:30 <gluxon> Hedgewars?
21:32:14 <JWHough> yea
21:32:23 <JWHough> i'm playing right now gluxon
21:32:46 <gluxon> I've never played Hedgewars :-/
21:34:31 <JWHough> There's a first for everything
21:36:51 <JWHough> all you really need to know is that right click shows weapons and enter and backspace are jump
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