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04:07:40 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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04:35:03 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
04:38:21 <vf2nsr> flaky network connection tonight grrrrr
04:39:21 <Mir> :<
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09:36:36 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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10:16:10 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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10:23:47 <fademind> hello, i create portable version of foobar2000. Formated in PortableApps structure. I want add this app to official repository of PortableApps.com
10:25:09 <vf2nsr> firdt you have to release it as a developmental app
10:25:14 <fademind> how can i do this ?:)
10:25:32 <vf2nsr> upload it tio a site tehn post it in forum
10:26:48 <fademind> ok :) can be drobpox host?
10:27:02 <fademind> dropbox ' :D
10:27:10 <vf2nsr> well that would rewuire users to have dropbox for it to download?
10:27:55 <fademind> dropbox is free :P
10:27:59 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/1153 take a look here
10:28:22 <vf2nsr> yes and I have it but does evermember who wants to try your program want to also download it?
10:29:26 <vf2nsr> I use sourceforge for my OSS and mediafire for freeware
10:29:43 <vf2nsr> but you can host it wherever you like
10:31:07 <vf2nsr> also is foobar opensource or freeware?
10:31:45 <fademind> foobar2000 is freeware
10:32:03 <fademind> created by Peter Pawlowski
10:32:04 <vf2nsr> do you have permission of author to redistribute it?
10:32:22 <fademind> well i must send mail for this ;)
10:32:28 <fademind> but
10:32:40 <fademind> its optional
10:32:55 <fademind> install foobar2000 as portable mode
10:33:03 <vf2nsr> according to the license I am reading if you made any mods you need to
10:34:05 <vf2nsr> http://www.foobar2000.org/?page=License
10:35:38 <fademind> i don't seen any version of foobar2000 and AIMP3. I write mail to author
10:36:52 <vf2nsr> looked here? http://portableapps.com/node/29557
10:37:24 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/29557 aimp3
10:37:35 <fademind> nice :D
10:37:38 <fademind> ^^
10:37:42 <fademind> thx
10:38:15 <fademind> i confirm accept for create foobar200 portable. :)
10:38:32 <vf2nsr> huh?
10:39:24 <vf2nsr> if you have permission to release if trom developer tehn make sure you post that in your release
10:39:40 <vf2nsr> like they did on aimp
10:40:08 <vf2nsr> or like I have done with Jarte
10:40:16 <fademind> I add license text in help.html
10:40:40 <vf2nsr> no you would need to add it as eula.txt in source file
10:41:06 <fademind> ok
10:41:08 <fademind> :)
10:41:12 <vf2nsr> so license is displayed when it is first run
10:41:19 <fademind> ok
10:41:22 <vf2nsr> and also mention it in the relase notes for your app
10:41:22 <fademind> but
10:42:06 <vf2nsr> look this is how I did ut with my release of Jarte http://portableapps.com/node/28570
10:42:56 <vf2nsr> or fotosketcher http://portableapps.com/node/30610
10:43:04 <vf2nsr> everyone needs to know you have permission
10:46:22 <fademind> ok.when i will have permission i create topic on forum :)
10:46:45 <vf2nsr> yes you should
10:47:07 <vf2nsr> Also you might wan tto search the site for the layout guidelines
10:47:20 <vf2nsr> it is in the beta forum I believe
10:47:37 <vf2nsr> that way it will be formatted and "proper"
10:48:16 <vf2nsr> if you do not have permission not even sure that you can do it as an installer since that license looks like a no go
10:48:25 <vf2nsr> I had that issue with syncdocs
10:48:37 <vf2nsr> they have not responded to my request for permission
10:49:16 <vf2nsr> and it took me close to a week to get that to work portable
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10:54:06 <vf2nsr> looks like a good program to make portable though
10:57:24 <fademind> i give up for now ;D i can't find e-mail to developer, i can't post any topic on official foobar2000 forum AFTER registration and confirm mail ;D i check try later :) thank u for fast answer :P
10:58:25 <vf2nsr> no email address on foobar site?
11:00:14 <fademind> yes
11:00:15 <fademind> :D
11:00:25 <vf2nsr> well there ya go
11:01:13 <fademind> only wiki page , forum , and website ;p
11:01:22 <fademind> noone else :D
11:01:53 <fademind> one more thing: its not allowed to create translation for this app
11:02:04 <fademind> its inposible :D
11:02:23 <fademind> its only avaiable SDK to create addons/plugins ;p
11:07:46 <vf2nsr> not sure what you are asking?
11:09:34 <fademind> asking?
11:09:59 <vf2nsr> ok you sais something about translations and sdk?
11:10:50 <fademind> i say
11:11:13 <fademind> SDK for create own plugins for foobar2000 is avaiable
11:11:28 <fademind> http://www.foobar2000.org/SDK
11:11:49 <fademind> its inposible create translation
11:11:51 <fademind> ;p
11:12:04 <vf2nsr> so you were planning on recompiling?
11:12:56 <vf2nsr> as th at looks like it is for recompiling?
11:13:14 <fademind> noo :D
11:13:18 <vf2nsr> so not sure what you are meaning about translations are you planning on translating it?
11:13:35 <fademind> translate interface
11:13:41 <fademind> is not allowef
11:13:44 <fademind> allowed
11:13:45 <fademind> ;p
11:14:02 <fademind> that i say
11:14:04 <fademind> ;p
11:14:36 <fademind> http://www.foobar2000.org/FAQ
11:14:42 <fademind> last quastion
11:14:43 <fademind> '[
11:14:46 <vf2nsr> OK I am way confused as to why you need to translate it?
11:15:34 <fademind> i dont need it ;p
11:15:45 <vf2nsr> there are many Englsih only apps
11:15:52 <fademind> i talk only about that
11:15:58 <vf2nsr> then if you do not need it why bring it up?
11:16:11 <fademind> for information ;p
11:16:15 <fademind> only
11:16:35 <fademind> u looking for other reasons
11:16:56 <vf2nsr> ok no was unclear thought you were talking about releasing it as a portable app
11:17:08 <vf2nsr> so had not idea why you started talking about translations
11:17:21 <fademind> i say only
11:17:25 <fademind> that
11:17:27 <vf2nsr> sort of took me off track to origianl conversation
11:17:36 <vf2nsr> did not seem relevant
11:17:42 <fademind> omg
11:17:46 <fademind> vf2
11:18:29 <vf2nsr> I am sur eit did to you but I was / am lost
11:18:41 <fademind> i want share foobar2000 portable in PortableApps.com, i must get confirm from author. that all ;p
11:18:51 <fademind> and i say
11:18:53 <vf2nsr> tcorrect
11:18:54 <fademind> that
11:19:16 <vf2nsr> then you bring up translations how did that fit into it?
11:19:17 <fademind> translate to other language interface is not allowed.
11:19:30 <fademind> that all
11:19:51 <fademind> i dont want translate it ;D
11:19:51 <vf2nsr> correct but not understanding how that fit into realeasing it as a portable app?
11:19:52 <fademind> man
11:20:08 <vf2nsr> not trying to argue just lost
11:20:25 <vf2nsr> I am sure it made sense to you and that is cool
11:20:39 <vf2nsr> does not have to make sense to me Iwas just trying to help you
11:20:48 <vf2nsr> bbiaf
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11:24:46 <fademind> The installer is a portable version. It is not available at PortableApps.com. I thought that the installer will do a portable version of the platform PAF (Portable Application Format). I wrote to you asking where I eventually provide beta versions - I know that is a section on the forum. I wrote that on the website of the program is available SDK for creating plug-ins and is not available from another language. PS. I'm from P
11:26:51 <vf2nsr|away> all is good P is that poland? portugal? philadelphia?
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11:27:24 <fademind> i come from poland
11:27:25 <fademind> '[
11:27:34 <vf2nsr> ah ok
11:27:48 <vf2nsr> did not know
11:28:02 <fademind> :)
11:29:54 <vf2nsr> BTW I just did some seraching have you seen this http://portableapps.com/node/21037
11:30:46 <fademind> old
11:31:12 <vf2nsr> not true
11:31:17 <vf2nsr> look at latest relase
11:31:30 <vf2nsr> 1.x Dev Test 3 (2011-09-22):
11:31:47 <fademind> aaaaa
11:31:50 <fademind> ;p
11:31:53 <fademind> apologize
11:32:38 <vf2nsr> no problem just thought I remembered seeing it took a few to find it
11:33:04 <vf2nsr> I get confused as well since updates do not change original post date
11:35:10 <fademind> vf2
11:35:20 <fademind> please check my version :)
11:35:22 <fademind> http://db.tt/4YqeOTMz
11:35:23 <vf2nsr> yes?
11:35:33 <vf2nsr> what versio n is this?
11:35:46 <fademind> foobar 1.11.1.0
11:35:51 <fademind> in PAF
11:35:51 <fademind> ;p
11:36:06 <fademind> work fine ;p
11:36:29 <vf2nsr> so all of the issues that re addressed in that forum are all working?
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11:37:44 <vf2nsr> problem is is without permission you can not legally relasee this as it has the program in it
11:38:02 <fademind> i do only for my personal use :D
11:38:08 <fademind> i dont share
11:38:09 <fademind> ;p
11:38:15 <vf2nsr> you just did
11:38:27 <fademind> ok ok
11:38:31 <vf2nsr> and anyone who reads the transcripts will see it as well
11:38:39 <fademind> ok
11:38:42 <fademind> but
11:38:55 <vf2nsr> have you tested this with regshot?
11:38:57 <fademind> foobar2000 is freeware.
11:39:01 <fademind> i dont
11:39:02 <vf2nsr> does it leave anyting behind?
11:39:19 <fademind> regshot?
11:39:42 <fademind> hmm i dont know
11:39:50 <vf2nsr> yes a program used to check what effects running a program have on your computer
11:40:31 <fademind> i check :P
11:40:32 <vf2nsr> there is more to making an app portable than just packaging it
11:41:09 <fademind> i will check
11:41:11 <fademind> ;p
11:41:21 <vf2nsr> http://portableapps.com/node/31329#comment-191154 might want to look at this
11:41:24 <fademind> ps. file was delete from dropbox ;p
11:41:36 <vf2nsr> no worries
11:41:55 <vf2nsr> to be honest I have not run it
11:42:01 <fademind> :D
11:42:06 <vf2nsr> just opened the archive to look it over
11:42:11 <fademind> :)
11:42:38 <fademind> how to use regshot?
11:42:39 <vf2nsr> take a look at that posting by Pyromaniac it si very useful
11:43:06 <vf2nsr> basically you hav eit take snapshot of system before an app runs
11:43:09 <vf2nsr> then run the app
11:43:13 <vf2nsr> then close app
11:43:19 <vf2nsr> then run regshot again
11:43:29 <vf2nsr> and compare to see what changes are made
11:43:47 <fademind> ok
11:43:58 <vf2nsr> take alook at the regshot page on site
11:44:29 <vf2nsr> see there are 2 defintions protable as in running from usb stick
11:44:44 <vf2nsr> and portable asin trying to leave minimal traces on host computer
11:44:55 <vf2nsr> PortableApps prefers the latter
11:45:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=184
11:45:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "Stealth [?]: Yes"
11:46:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> As far as we (TPFC) know, foobar2000 is natively portable and doesn't leave anything behind.
11:46:34 <vf2nsr> np TPFC-SYSTEM but he was relasing it as a pre formatted portableapp
11:46:49 <vf2nsr> to be honest I know nothing about the program
11:47:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> My point is that fademind doesn't need to test it. :)
11:47:35 <vf2nsr> ok agreed my point is if he wants to relase apps he might want to become familiar with the how's of doing so?
11:47:56 <vf2nsr> since this ine is ok but future ones?
11:47:58 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Ah, I see. You're right.
11:48:31 <vf2nsr> Like I discovered even though I realsed a few when I tried the TB Tray I just relaeased
11:48:50 <vf2nsr> it is very portable unless a user decides to enable a few features
11:49:20 <vf2nsr> and there is still one I can not make not work....which is why I spent 4 days trying to fool proof it
11:49:44 <vf2nsr> got it 90% good but there is still a slim chance for user error
11:50:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :(
11:50:05 <vf2nsr> BUT I do agree in this case the app purports to be clean
11:51:00 <vf2nsr> well in my case if a user decides to use the detect mode or somehow point program to wrong folder program defaults to the host computers settings
11:51:34 <vf2nsr> I could fix it if I wanted to spend money on a delphi compiler
11:52:13 <vf2nsr> but borland stopped giving a way the freebie and the trial version has no compiler
11:52:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :(
11:53:08 <vf2nsr> so in my case I did what I could and warned users in my release notes
11:53:26 <vf2nsr> I figure all apps whether portable or not have inherent risks
11:53:49 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you mean?
11:54:13 <vf2nsr> well any program that you install has the potential to muck you up
11:54:17 <vf2nsr> some less than other
11:54:36 <vf2nsr> so you have to decide is a program worth the risk of using?
11:54:59 <vf2nsr> For instance I use 7zip it has an option to set it as default for all zip formats
11:55:09 <vf2nsr> In my case I want that but other users might not
11:55:22 <vf2nsr> so they need to read and understand what they are doing
11:55:45 <vf2nsr> or they have risk of installing something and not having it behave as planned
11:56:21 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hm, I see.
11:56:22 <vf2nsr> not sure if that made snes?
11:56:25 <vf2nsr> sense
11:56:32 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think it's not a big risk, though. :)
11:56:33 <vf2nsr> that is my opinion
11:56:55 <vf2nsr> true that is why system restore was created
11:57:10 <vf2nsr> point is that in reality no software is free of issues
11:57:21 <fademind> guys
11:57:22 <vf2nsr> that is why Microsoft even has to release updates etc
11:57:38 <fademind> appcompactor compress
11:57:43 <vf2nsr> yes fademind
11:57:47 <fademind> installer or exe?
11:57:55 <fademind> exe of apps
11:57:56 <fademind> ;p
11:58:04 <vf2nsr> the app compacter will attempt ot compact any file that it can
11:58:15 <fademind> ok ;p thx
11:58:21 <vf2nsr> depending on how you set it up
11:58:42 <vf2nsr> TPFC-SYSTEM: I am not trying to argue just expressing my thoughts
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11:59:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> vf2nsr: I originally didn't understand what you meant with "inherent risks".
11:59:56 <vf2nsr> Maybe as a developer I should always state that my opinions do not necessarily reflect those of Portableapps.com, this forum or anyone
12:00:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> And I don't like just being quiet and listening when someone is talking to me. ;)
12:00:20 <vf2nsr> ok for instance
12:00:33 <vf2nsr> if you install Firefox on a system
12:00:40 <vf2nsr> you use the internet
12:00:47 <vf2nsr> which has risks involved
12:00:59 <vf2nsr> which you can alleviate with a good av spyware etc
12:01:35 <vf2nsr> but if a you ser just decides to surf the net with out taking orecautions there is a risk fo rinfections and such
12:01:56 <vf2nsr> so that is what I mean
12:02:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Sure, Firefox clearly has risks.
12:02:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> On the other hand, Firefox < "all apps whether portable or not" :P
12:02:41 <vf2nsr> as newton ( I hink) said every action has a reaction
12:05:26 <vf2nsr> Let me express it another way?
12:05:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Sure.
12:06:51 <vf2nsr> SInce most programs are written by other people and not ourselves we have no idea what is really occuring when we use a program, we trust that it is doing what it supposed to be doing and nothing else it may be blind trust but it is trust
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12:07:39 <vf2nsr> so if for some reason a piece of software has unintentional outcomes we chhose to accept those risks by using the software
12:07:57 <vf2nsr> that is what I mean by risks
12:09:03 <vf2nsr> sort of like when you decide to drive a car you accept the risk that you might have an accident and get killed
12:09:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, a program can't really do anything truly dangerous without admin rights.
12:09:17 <TPFC-SYSTEM> But I agree that there indeed are risks.
12:11:28 <vf2nsr> well it is like a user once asked me on the chat program I work for he wanted to know how to 100% protect himself from virus trojans and the like I had to honestly tell him the only way was to not tuen his computer on once it is on you are open
12:12:49 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That's right. A (small) risk we all have accepted.
12:13:10 <vf2nsr> true
12:13:15 <vf2nsr> and most of us have
12:13:45 <vf2nsr> anyway I was not trying to dissuade the user from releasing an app
12:13:59 <vf2nsr> just was trying to give him the info on doing so
12:14:43 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, he should not release an app without permission.
12:14:52 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Thanks for pointing that out to him. :)
12:15:35 <vf2nsr> np also as I pointed out there was already a release ( sort of ) of it
12:16:28 <vf2nsr> I have learned a lot this week about apps and releasing them in fact more than I ever thought I should lol
12:16:55 <vf2nsr> and I have been doing if for about 2 years guess never stop learning
12:17:50 <vf2nsr> I have one all ready now in fact but not sure if it is needed, called for and still need permission
12:18:28 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :/
12:18:44 <vf2nsr> had another one worked on for 2 weeks figured out how to make portable and can not even release a template for it with instructions since it doe smod the original
12:19:05 <vf2nsr> oh well bbiaf going to grab some breakfast
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18:14:24 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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19:02:43 <vf2nsr> afternoon gluxon
19:02:58 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Hello :)
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19:43:40 <Ben543> hey
19:43:46 <Ben543> I bought one of these flash drives
19:43:59 <Ben543> trying to help support the project - but it is not working as I expected
19:44:09 <Ben543> seems to be recognized as a disk drive rather than as a flash drive
19:44:18 <Ben543> I've got two other flash drives, never had this happen before
19:44:43 <Ben543> tried searching for people with a similar issue but didn't find anything
19:45:40 <sar3th> well, i don't have one myself, so i can't tell you
19:45:44 <sar3th> but how's that an issue?
19:45:49 <Gizmokid2005> Ben543: that's just the configuration that windows sees it as
19:45:50 <sar3th> it should show up as removable drive
19:45:51 <Gizmokid2005> but it's not a problem
19:45:57 <Gizmokid2005> it'll still have the option to remove
19:46:01 <Gizmokid2005> and function just like you'd expect.
19:47:32 <gluxon> Ben543: I'm afraid the issue isn't with us. We only make the software, and it looks like the problem is in the hardware from CustomUSB.
19:47:38 <Ben543> ah
19:47:47 <Ben543> well, it is confusing
19:47:52 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: it's not an issue like I said
19:47:57 <Ben543> when I click on it, it says "please insert a disk"
19:48:02 <Gizmokid2005> it's just how windows recognizes it
19:48:03 <gluxon> Ben543: CustomUSB offers a life-time warranty if you feel like it's an issue..
19:48:17 <Gizmokid2005> Ben543: have you tried a different machine or USB port?
19:48:45 <Ben543> yeah
19:48:59 <Ben543> had quite a few flash drives, never had it do that before
19:49:14 <Ben543> I can open it, but I have to right-click - it's just unintuitive
19:49:15 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, I would talk to CustomUSB then
19:49:17 <Gizmokid2005> it sounds odd...
19:49:23 <Gizmokid2005> that shouldn't happen
19:49:27 <Gizmokid2005> it should function like normal
19:49:46 <Ben543> I also sorta thought it would have the PortableApps software manager on it
19:49:57 <Gizmokid2005> Ben543: it should
19:50:02 <Ben543> yeah, it doesn't
19:50:20 <Ben543> it's completely empty
19:50:25 <Ben543> might be related to it being recognized as a disk drive
19:50:31 <Ben543> I guess I'll ask them about it
19:50:42 <Gizmokid2005> wait
19:50:54 <Gizmokid2005> do you mean Disk drive as in "Hard disk drive"?
19:51:05 <Ben543> dvd drive
19:51:15 <Ben543> it's categorized with my dvd drive
19:51:23 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, that's DEFINITELY not correct
19:51:24 <Ben543> all my other flash drives are categorized with my hard drives
19:51:28 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, as they should
19:51:39 <Gizmokid2005> or at least be recognized as a removable device but show up with a hard drive or USB stick image.
19:51:51 <Ben543> ok
19:53:17 <Ben543> just tried two other flash drives, they both operate normally
19:53:26 <Ben543> so I don't think it is something on my end
19:53:59 <Gizmokid2005> Ben543: I would hazard to agree
19:54:13 <Gizmokid2005> I would contact CustomUSB, it might be a setting, but it could just be a bad drive that went out.
19:57:02 <sar3th> could you try manually right-clicking the drive in "My Computer" and select "Eject"?
19:57:44 <Ben543> says "An error occurred while ejecting 'Removable Disk (F:)'
19:57:52 <Ben543> I just sent an email to CustomUSB
19:58:43 <Ben543> I'll try to let you guys know how it is resolved - is there a good email?
19:58:50 <Ben543> noticed the website has no support email
19:58:59 <Gizmokid2005> Ben543: nope.
19:59:05 <Gizmokid2005> if you want to just pop back in here and let us know
19:59:25 <Ben543> not really a good guarantee unless you're all around 24/7
19:59:47 <Ben543> I would think that John would be pretty interested in this since it would seem to be his main monetary source
20:00:27 <Gizmokid2005> just drop a note in the forum then would be the best
20:02:00 <Ben543> ok thanks
20:02:04 <Ben543> bye
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20:03:38 <Drive-Dude> Hi, I was to ask, how can I create my own themes?
20:22:06 <gluxon> Drive-Dude: Create them in an image editor and place the skins in Data\theme
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20:26:20 <Drive-Dude> Which Image Creator? And what is the format? I have many themes but they are in a old format therefore they don't work.
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22:05:02 <vf2nsr> wb gluxon
22:05:08 <gluxon> Yep.
22:05:17 <gluxon> Ubuntu 12.04 crashed :'(
22:05:26 <vf2nsr> ouch
22:05:29 <gluxon> Of course, I made it crash by running Unity 3D and 2D at the same time :P
22:05:44 <vf2nsr> I not even lik e ubuntu 11 I stayed with 10 lts
22:06:04 <gluxon> Don't like the Unity interface?
22:06:24 <vf2nsr> Well I sort of have a cheat dual boot
22:06:37 <gluxon> :P
22:06:38 <vf2nsr> and when I tried doing it with 11 messed me all up
22:07:11 <gluxon> Hm.. really? I don't think GRUB2 changes that much in Ubuntu 11.04+.
22:07:16 <vf2nsr> I have a 160 gb external drive I made from a salvaged laptop got half for PA and other for Ubuntu
22:07:29 <vf2nsr> and I have the grub on th eext
22:07:40 <vf2nsr> so if I wan tubuntu I change drive load up
22:07:43 <gluxon> Nice.
22:07:57 <vf2nsr> some how when I put ll on it wrote to my primary
22:08:10 <vf2nsr> took me 2 days to get back to wiondow
22:08:17 <vf2nsr> as it knocked out my mbr
22:08:34 <vf2nsr> have not gon eback to try yet again
22:08:51 <vf2nsr> I am sure it was something I did or did not do correctly
22:09:39 <vf2nsr> and so far it works good this way guess I afraid to try it again lol
22:10:12 <vf2nsr> did you see I finally posted that program you helped me with?
22:20:50 <gluxon> I'll look at it now.
22:20:51 <gluxon> :)
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22:20:57 <vf2nsr> np
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22:36:46 <vf2nsr> wow gluxon you come and go faster than I can drinl a soda lol
22:37:00 <gluxon> :P
22:37:34 <gluxon> What's great about my GRUB2 dual boot is that the menu doesn't appear unless I hold the shift key.
22:38:14 <gluxon> I had to hack one of the files to do that, since GRUB2 didn't include the functionality for multi-os. :'(
22:38:15 <vf2nsr> that is sweet is it still editable so you can setup the default
22:38:23 <vf2nsr> ahhhh
22:39:42 <gluxon> Do you know if the custom nsh file runs first or the INI?
22:39:58 <vf2nsr> custom I believe
22:40:06 <vf2nsr> it reads the ini
22:40:28 <vf2nsr> also if ini is not yet in data it copies the default from default data
22:40:41 <vf2nsr> btw nice websit eyou have
22:41:24 <gluxon> Thank you.
22:41:40 <gluxon> Any suggestions on impoving the theme?
22:41:49 <vf2nsr> not yet still looking at it
22:43:54 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Sweet, TBTray is working as expected :D
22:44:12 <vf2nsr> awesome as long as you don't let it default it works
22:44:25 <vf2nsr> I wanted to prevent that but without delphi can not recompile
22:44:52 <vf2nsr> I did best I could to make it safew
22:44:56 <vf2nsr> safe
22:45:16 <gluxon> You mean the Auto-Detect?
22:45:25 <vf2nsr> yes
22:45:48 <gluxon> TBTray looks like a relatively easy program to write in AutoHotKey.
22:46:03 <vf2nsr> I have the delphi code and it used resource hacker
22:46:19 <gluxon> Yeah, I meant to say *rewrite
22:46:26 <vf2nsr> and with John and autoit did not want to go there
22:47:10 <vf2nsr> actually if all goes well going to port it into a project I wan tto release LiOnAS
22:47:33 <vf2nsr> a pre-built Thunderbird with just calendar active
22:47:48 <vf2nsr> as a replacement for Sunburd
22:48:21 <vf2nsr> but that is a wy off in future
22:48:52 <vf2nsr> that is how/why I found TBTray
22:49:41 <vf2nsr> but at least thanks to your help I got TB tray to work ( as well as Gord and Chris)
22:51:20 <vf2nsr> Of course nothing I do compares to your work like on eclipse
22:52:43 <vf2nsr> Wish I could find a copy of the olde Free Delphi all they have now is the trialware with no comiler
22:55:32 <gluxon> :'(
22:58:30 <vf2nsr> I think I just found a borland site that still has a download link for it omg
22:58:36 <gluxon> :O
22:58:53 <vf2nsr> http://file.borlandforum.com/turbo/
22:59:35 <gluxon> vf2nsr: By the way, you haven't tried Lazarus, have you?
22:59:42 <vf2nsr> no?
23:00:06 <vf2nsr> heard of it but not even sure iit is a programming language?
23:01:17 <gluxon> I'm not sure if it'll work, but I would try it if Turbo Delphi doesn't work out.
23:01:17 <gluxon> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
23:03:27 <vf2nsr> you got that a s portable do you not?
23:04:10 <gluxon> Some one packaged it, I'm not sure how "Portable" it is though.
23:04:11 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/node/27339
23:04:17 <sar3th> i got delphi here, what do you need vf2nsr
23:05:05 <vf2nsr> sar3th: have a program TB tray want to change some of it but not sure
23:05:20 <vf2nsr> and then would need to recompile it
23:06:07 <sar3th> okay then, i'd need the source and the changes you want me to do
23:06:19 <sar3th> let's take this to #portableapps-dev, okay :)?
23:06:23 <vf2nsr> ok let me wrok on it
23:06:27 <vf2nsr> ok
23:15:59 <ZachThibeau> back home
23:16:27 <sar3th> wb home ZachThibeau
23:16:29 <sar3th> :D
23:16:53 <ZachThibeau> ty, ended up back at my parents grabbing more stuff
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23:17:18 <ZachThibeau> brought my wii with me :D
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23:19:00 <ZachThibeau> brought my wii with me :D
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23:21:19 <sar3th> nice
23:21:26 <sar3th> i'm going, so good night everyone
23:22:04 <vf2nsr> night sar3th thanks
23:22:10 <ZachThibeau> night sar3th
23:23:16 <sar3th> night guys
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23:32:01 <vf2nsr> gluxon: this might be harder than I thought
23:40:45 <gluxon> Recompiling?
23:41:08 <vf2nsr> figuring what to disable to prevent auto detct