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00:07:01 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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00:49:05 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
00:50:07 <vf2nsr> still in the hotel JWHough?
00:50:39 <JWHough> yeah. looks like this router was reset, too >_<
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07:19:25 <CyberBizia> Help!
07:20:27 <CyberBizia> help!
07:20:27 <GizmoBot> CyberBizia: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
07:21:53 <CyberBizia> Hi, the proble is as follows: when I try to get software update authomatically, it keep asking for OpenOffice 3.2 which I believe I have uninstalled and replaced with LibreOffice
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13:13:22 <pa_7332> hai
13:13:38 <pa_7332> any one could advise me
13:14:00 <pa_7332> help
13:14:00 <GizmoBot> pa_7332: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
13:14:26 <pa_7332> how do i install moodle in portable
13:15:35 <pa_7332> any one
13:15:37 <pa_7332> ???
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14:37:10 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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17:29:05 <iTechNewsDaily> Hey everyone
17:29:31 <iTechNewsDaily> anyone there?
17:31:15 <iTechNewsDaily> Is there anyone that can help me?
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19:21:11 <keyzs> can anybody update eraser to version 6.0.9 ?
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19:39:13 <keyzs> ZachThibeau_: you there?
19:39:27 <gluxon> keyzs: I believe the later versions of Eraser require .NET
19:39:39 <gluxon> Which we do not support due to their limited portability.
19:39:47 <keyzs> ah ok
19:40:12 <keyzs> that means updates wont be made?
19:40:57 <gluxon> keyzs: http://portableapps.com/node/23294
19:41:37 <gluxon> keyzs: Afraid not.
19:41:44 <keyzs> nooooo
19:41:46 <keyzs> lol
19:41:59 <keyzs> gluxon do you know any other app like that on site?
19:42:08 <gluxon> Eraser Portable?
19:42:15 <keyzs> y
19:42:33 <gluxon> Well, is there a feature 6.x has 5.x doesn't?
19:43:05 <gluxon> There's EraserDrop -> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/eraserdrop_portable
19:43:10 <gluxon> But other than that, I think that's it.
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19:44:27 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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19:48:11 <iTechNewsDaily> vf2nsr
19:48:17 <iTechNewsDaily> you ther?
19:48:17 <vf2nsr> hi
19:48:19 <iTechNewsDaily> thehe
19:48:25 <vf2nsr> nope left an hour ago
19:48:30 <iTechNewsDaily> omg my keyboard needs new batteries
19:48:37 <iTechNewsDaily> wireles
19:48:40 <iTechNewsDaily> ....
19:48:49 <iTechNewsDaily> Ok, give me a second to pull up the app
19:48:49 <vf2nsr> np my keyboard needs a new operator
19:49:02 <iTechNewsDaily> lol
19:49:06 <vf2nsr> because the one usin git now bites
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19:49:46 <iTechNewsDaily> Ok, how can I share this with you so you can see it? do you have teamviewer or skype or something?
19:49:59 <vf2nsr> what is it you need to share?
19:50:10 <vf2nsr> where is tha=e dat located now?
19:50:17 <iTechNewsDaily> I was going to show you the entire app.
19:50:20 <iTechNewsDaily> to make it easier
19:50:31 <vf2nsr> hang on moment
19:50:56 <iTechNewsDaily> k
19:52:01 <vf2nsr> http://pastebin.com/sZx069Ac take a look at this launcher
19:52:10 <vf2nsr> it is using a directories
19:52:13 <vf2nsr> move
19:52:21 <vf2nsr> you can do same with filesmove
19:52:44 <iTechNewsDaily> But they have to be copied. not moved
19:52:45 <vf2nsr> basically I am taking 2 dir (and subdir) and moving htem to the app folder from data
19:52:54 <vf2nsr> why??
19:53:14 <vf2nsr> are you copying installed local program
19:53:22 <vf2nsr> or installing from an exe or what?
19:53:24 <iTechNewsDaily> because the way I have the data set up it makes it depend on it being in 2 places at once
19:53:45 <vf2nsr> ok that is not usual behavior
19:53:57 <vf2nsr> how does it know which to write the data ro?
19:54:52 <iTechNewsDaily> well the reason that I have it set up like that is because in order to make it so I didn
19:54:59 <iTechNewsDaily> crap
19:54:59 <iTechNewsDaily> wait
19:55:47 <iTechNewsDaily> the reason that Its set up like that is so I can avoid modifying the actual program itself to avoid and leagal crap with the company.
19:56:02 <iTechNewsDaily> I just moved the entire program
19:56:06 <iTechNewsDaily> ...
19:56:23 <vf2nsr> so you copied the entire program from local instal to usb device?
19:56:26 <iTechNewsDaily> I just switched my keyboard to a wired one and the enter button is closer on this one than it was on the other one
19:57:11 <keyzs> gluxon since eraser cant be updated maybe should be good putting other app
19:57:13 <vf2nsr> are you trying to make the app portable or make it fit into pa specs?
19:57:15 <iTechNewsDaily> I copied the entire program without modifying anything into the data folder of the portable apps format. Then I simply made it so it would be able to launch properely by making a .ini file to direct it to how it launches
19:57:28 <vf2nsr> ok
19:57:41 <iTechNewsDaily> After I manually move the 2 files into were they need to go, the app runs like its portable.
19:57:44 <vf2nsr> the program should be in the APP folder in a sub floder
19:57:51 <iTechNewsDaily> But without the 2 files it doesn't launch
19:57:59 <gluxon> keyzs: Any personal suggestions?
19:57:59 <vf2nsr> ok hang on
19:58:11 <iTechNewsDaily> Its a language dll and and some type of extention dll file
19:58:16 <keyzs> gluxon unfortunately no
19:58:32 <vf2nsr> The program belongs in App\appname folder not the data folder
19:58:38 <keyzs> on data wipes has to be a good one
19:59:01 <vf2nsr> gluxon: want me to move my qiscussion elsewhere so as not to confuse?
19:59:13 <iTechNewsDaily> The files need to be moved from h:\portableapps\xfireportable\appinfo\data\ and into the root of the app folder
19:59:18 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Yes, thank you.
19:59:42 <vf2nsr> ok iTechNewsDaily going to im
19:59:48 <iTechNewsDaily> Do you have TeamViewer or something so I can show you how it's set up? It would make it much easier
20:00:08 <gluxon> keyzs: As of now, Eraser 5.x has been pretty good with its functionality, but you're right. I think we need an official (and supported) app.
20:00:24 <keyzs> i like eraser
20:00:38 <keyzs> but now cant use that one updated :(
20:00:47 <vf2nsr> sorry gluxon was just trying to help
20:02:10 <gluxon> keyzs: I should be able package an unofficial launcher for Eraser 6.x if there's a need.
20:03:28 <keyzs> gluxon can you do one just for me?
20:03:43 <gluxon> Yes.
20:03:51 <keyzs> please do
20:04:02 <gluxon> I'll probably post it on the Development forums too, since you're probably not the only one requesting this.
20:04:03
20:04:13 <keyzs> ok
20:04:14 <gluxon> That's enough for me :)
20:04:24 <keyzs> but me the link after please
20:04:28 <keyzs> ups
20:04:34 <keyzs> send me the link after please
20:05:48 <gluxon> Will do.
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20:50:35 <vf2nsr> bbiab dinner time
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21:03:37 <KookyMan> Greets
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21:23:27 <kAlug> greetings KookyMan
21:28:00 <KookyMan> Ya know, I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall some days. Or more accurately, I'm being an idiot.
21:31:47 <KookyMan> because I keep expecting something to change around here..and it don't.
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21:41:37 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
21:42:16 <KookyMan> So just out of curiosity, has development on the platform come to a grinding halt, yet again?
21:42:20 <kAlug> KookyMan: Most of time things are a bit slow over here.
21:42:54 <KookyMan> kAlug yea.. I know... my frustration keeps coming in that I actually put faith in the fact john is making an attempt to improve...
21:43:00 <KookyMan> I know I should have learned my lesson years ago
21:43:17 <kAlug> KookyMan: Not as far as I know. The problem is, the only developer who can work on the Platform also has to take care of everything else.
21:43:47 <kAlug> Furthermore, PA.c is more than just the Platform.
21:44:12 <KookyMan> Yea.
21:44:35 <KookyMan> It's called delegation.. I wish he'd learn to do it.
21:45:29 <kAlug> He can't more than he does.
21:45:31 <KookyMan> Or more to the point, its called honesty in statements. He can't promise any releases because he's the only person workign on everything.
21:46:00 <sar3th> KookyMan, you sound liek you've been around for a while, how come i never saw you :|
21:46:06 <KookyMan> kAlug - correction, he can't more than he does and continue to retain absolute control over every last bit.
21:46:21 <KookyMan> sar3th you've seen me before.. I just don't frequent the chat room often.
21:46:33 <sar3th> ah k
21:46:39 <KookyMan> And I can't remember the last time we actually talked to each other :)
21:46:55 <kAlug> He can, theoretically, delegate the website administration. But as for the releases, he's the only one with access to the signing keys.
21:47:23 <kAlug> And the biggest problem is, many devs quit, and few enter to replace them.
21:47:39 <vf2nsr> hey I resemble that kAlug lol
21:48:22 <vf2nsr> j/k
21:48:30 <KookyMan> kAlug - there are ways to delegate that as well.... Honestly, I'm guessing most quit because of his "must control everything" attitude. Create an additional signer. .. Or even if he has to "rubber stamp" everything before its pushed.
21:48:33 <kAlug> I used this very same argument before. With you, I think.
21:48:46 <KookyMan> Not sure.. I don't remember talking about key signing
21:48:49 <sar3th> good to see that i'm not the only one worrying my head off about this
21:49:05 <KookyMan> And I'm not arguing.. just discussing.
21:49:22 <kAlug> you ← vf2nsr
21:49:30 <KookyMan> Oh, k
21:49:46 <vf2nsr> was kidding
21:50:03 <vf2nsr> I go back to my corner of round room
21:50:30 <KookyMan> So, out of lack of knowledge, what is signed by JTH? Just the platform, or platform + each app installer?
21:50:37 <kAlug> Both.
21:51:07 <sar3th> basically everything
21:51:32 <KookyMan> Then he needs someone else who can sign. Simple as that.
21:52:13 <KookyMan> Imagine if Microsoft or Fedora required one person to sign everything, AND run the website, AND run the company, AND program the core of their business.
21:52:20 <kAlug> I think I could sign too. As long people don't get scared seeing my name instead of PortableApps.com.
21:52:36 <kAlug> KookyMan: These companies have money. Lots of it.
21:52:51 <kAlug> Red Hat got 1 billion last year, IIRC.
21:53:01 <KookyMan> Yes, doing open source too, I love it
21:53:36 <KookyMan> The thing is, I'm sure there are people more than willing to help out and take the burden off JH for little or no pay.
21:54:22 <sar3th> signing would require JTH's trust if the person was using the real PA cert
21:54:26 <KookyMan> And also note that those million dollar (or billion) businesses don't come out every two weeks saying "We'll do this, next week" and then miss it. all the time
21:54:47 <KookyMan> sar3th agreed. Which is why that should be a (low) paid position
21:55:09 <sar3th> either that or he should delegate more of the other thigns
21:55:13 <sar3th> like platform development
21:55:33 <KookyMan> At this point, JH Shouldn't be doing hardly anything first hand.
21:55:37 <KookyMan> he should be Running the Company.
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21:56:21 <KookyMan> And when he has time, get his hands dirty.
21:57:16 <KookyMan> Imean, I'm not an MBA by any definition, but I do know, that is how you run a business
21:58:48 <KookyMan> sar3th, am I just completely nuts as someone who doesn't run my own business looks at this and knows that his path is doomed for failure unless he changes his ways?
22:00:04 <sar3th> i don't think so
22:00:15 <sar3th> sometimes you don't need to be an expert to know that something goes wrong
22:01:10 <KookyMan> Honestly.. I was floored when he said he got some 3rd party support from "known companies"...
22:02:15 <KookyMan> If he came to me as a company.. he would have to have one hell of a convincing argument before I'd give him a dime. Part of my research would be scouring the pa.c site and see this constant inability to meet deadlines
22:03:49 <KookyMan> I see he posted a pre-release
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22:04:58 <kAlug> hey iTechNewsDaily
22:05:06 <KookyMan> hello iTechNewsDaily
22:05:43 <sar3th> KookyMan, not 10.0.1 ?
22:06:19 <KookyMan> sorry, Installer Pre-release
22:06:21 <KookyMan> my bad
22:06:27 <sar3th> ah okay
22:06:41 <KookyMan> too bad he couldn't come up with a new name
22:08:02 <kAlug> KookyMan: What do you mean?
22:08:32 <KookyMan> well, we have PortableApps.Com, PortableApps.Com Installer, PortableApps.Com Platform
22:14:48 <KookyMan> it gets to be a mouthful
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22:17:31 <KookyMan> Wow
22:17:38 <KookyMan> an actual IPv6 in the wild!
22:19:12 <KookyMan> I can hear myself in 40 years.. "When I was a kid, we had 32bits of address, and gosh darn it thats the way we liked it!"
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22:29:21 <KookyMan> wb vf2nsr
22:29:25 <vf2nsr> ty
22:29:32 <vf2nsr> dinner was yummy
22:30:53 <vf2nsr> kAlug: you get a chance to look at amarok?
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22:32:14 <vf2nsr> gluxon: sorry about earlier
22:32:23 <vf2nsr> did no tkno wyou were in middle of helping another user
22:33:37 <kAlug> Nope, sorry.
22:33:38 <kAlug> KookyMan: Do you know something about programming?
22:33:52 <kAlug> hi gluxon!
22:33:53 <KookyMan> Just a lil bit, why?
22:33:54 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Like I said, nothing to apologize for.
22:33:56 <gluxon> Hey kAlug :)
22:34:11 <vf2nsr> np I was just wondering I figured where the seetings are so about to release dev 3
22:34:15 <kAlug> KookyMan: Just curiosity.
22:35:00 <KookyMan> I can do BASIC, VisualBASIC, VB.Net, and some C++...
22:35:02 <vf2nsr> gluxon: mind if I drop you quick im?
22:35:12 <KookyMan> oh and a little HTML, but I'm not fluent in any of it
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22:46:42 <vf2nsr> iTechNewsDaily:
22:46:53 <vf2nsr> that was for you did you create installer etc?
22:47:01 <iTechNewsDaily> vf2nsr
22:47:05 <iTechNewsDaily> Im here
22:47:19 <vf2nsr> because the installer ini ma not be needed
22:47:25 <vf2nsr> that was just to fix th elauncher
22:47:39 <iTechNewsDaily> Start up that private chat again
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23:24:04 <gluxon> keyzs: Eraser Portable 6.x should be posted in a few minutes.
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23:34:51 <vf2nsr> kAlug: -dev please
23:39:09 <gluxon> keyzs: http://portableapps.com/node/31790
23:39:31 <vf2nsr> gluxon: can I ask a question relative to it?
23:39:48 <gluxon> Go ahead. :)
23:39:52 <vf2nsr> out of curiousity
23:40:01 <vf2nsr> what mean by (unsupported)?
23:40:08 <vf2nsr> never seen tha tbefore
23:40:17 <gluxon> Meaning I won't be as quick to update it, or fix bugs to make it official.
23:40:41 <gluxon> As in, it won't ever be official and I won't push it to do so.
23:40:59 <vf2nsr> Ah ok like I did with an online installer got it thanks
23:41:24 <vf2nsr> was just wondering
23:41:28 <gluxon> Yep.
23:41:43 <vf2nsr> smart I like going to remember that one tyvm
23:41:55 <gluxon> Last time I gave an app that label was for a launcher only app for a trialware app someone wanted.
23:42:38 <vf2nsr> I cheated just updated launcher and posted it in th eold thread for someone to assist them lol
23:45:43 <gluxon> :D
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23:48:46 <vf2nsr> wow I think I scared Kalug away :(
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