IRC Log from 2012-04-19
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00:11:41 <bluebell_rose> hi
00:12:12 <JohnTHaller> hello
00:12:20 <vf2nsr> evening
00:13:36 <bluebell_rose> lol, I think I broke 2 usb drives already
00:15:15 <vf2nsr> how is that related to PortableApps?
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00:44:33 <bluebell_rose> hi again
00:44:50 <vf2nsr> hi again
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01:25:24 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
01:26:52 <JWHough> vf2nsr: I figured out why my router kept "resseting"
01:27:01 <vf2nsr> really what happened
01:27:45 <JWHough> Apparantly, every time I connect to my router, I only get a 24 hour lease
01:28:18 <JWHough> so when that time's up, it "resets"
01:28:27 <JWHough> and I have to restart my router to get a new lease
01:28:28 <vf2nsr> should be able to get it tro give longer lease
01:28:40 <JWHough> idk how to
01:29:12 <vf2nsr> in router set up should be able to access it throgh local ip address
01:29:44 <JWHough> I scanned all the options... nada
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01:34:54 <gluxon> JWHough: What's the model of the router?
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01:38:11 <JWHough1> well, figured out that "release" does not mean "renew the lease"
01:38:14 <JWHough1> Netgear
01:38:49 <JWHough1> WNR2003v3
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01:39:50 <kAlug> Hello!
01:39:55 <JohnTHaller> hi
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01:40:58 <kAlug> hey John
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01:41:25 <gluxon> JWHough: Actually, it's not too uncommon for routers to nenew its lease in 24 hours.
01:41:37 <gluxon> I'm not sure what "release" means.
01:42:30 <JWHough> JohnTHaller: I decided not to go to Binghamton
01:42:37 <JohnTHaller> some cable/dls companies will only lease an IP for 24hrs for folks not paying for a dedicated IP
01:42:46 <JohnTHaller> JWHough: Oh yea? WHere are you thinking?
01:42:55 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Global IP's?
01:43:08 <JWHough> Well, I paid my enrollment deposit for U of Arizona yesterday
01:43:10 <gluxon> That would make IP bans practically useless :-/
01:43:20 <JohnTHaller> ah cool. it's a could school.
01:43:22 <gluxon> College?
01:43:27 <JohnTHaller> good even
01:43:38 <JWHough> According to US News and World Report it's better than Binghamton (55 vs. 90)
01:43:51 <JWHough> but I was considering it because its better ranked over all then UA
01:44:02 <JWHough> gluxon: yep
01:44:20 <JohnTHaller> it varies a lot by major. and UofA was much bigger than I wanted school-wise. I wanted more of a campus
01:45:00 <JWHough> yao
01:45:03 <JWHough> *yap
01:45:09 <JWHough> Got denied from Carnegie Mellon, though which woulda toppled everything.
01:45:16 <JWHough> :(
01:46:18 <JWHough> JohnTHaller: how would I know if I was/wasn't paying for dedicated IP
01:46:44 <JWHough> I mean, I was never given an option either way when I signed up
01:47:43 <gluxon> JWHough: If you were paying a very high bill.
01:48:13 <gluxon> JWHough: One the serious answer, check if your IP is changing every month or so.
01:48:32 <JWHough> lol, nope, paying $40 for the fastest speed available in my area.
01:48:46 <gluxon> You probably don't have a dedicated IP then.
01:48:54 <gluxon> Those are usually used for servers.
01:49:16 <gluxon> I got lucky, Comcast doesn't reset my ip very often, so I practically have a dedicated IP.
01:49:48 <JWHough> it makes me mad, though, because my printer always works
01:49:58 <JWHough> via wireless
01:52:15 <gluxon> JWHough: It makes your mad that your printer works?
01:52:26 <kAlug> JWHough: What are you going to course?
01:52:52 <JWHough> of course not, mean that it makes me mad that my printer works but /my pc doesn/
01:52:57 <JWHough> *doesn't
01:53:04 <JWHough> kAlug: Computer Science
01:53:46 <kAlug> Nice. Me too.
01:54:15 <JWHough> to be honest, if it wasn't for pa.c I woulda never gotten into programming and probably would be lost on a major (I originally wanted to do something with math, so I could be an astronaut, but I got too tall for that :P)
01:55:31 <kAlug> did you mean: astronomer?
01:57:30 <JWHough> nope, kAlug: astronaut.
01:57:45 <gluxon> JWHough: I think you may be 30 years off on that :-/
01:57:47 <JWHough> in the rocketships going to the moon and stuff
01:58:05 <JWHough> nope, I planned it all out my freshmen year.
01:58:17 <gluxon> Considering NASA has decided that robots are more efficient than men..
01:58:46 <JWHough> I even wrote a 5 page story on it for English class on it (it was to research on how you'd do your carreer, and write about how you'd get there)
01:59:11 <JWHough> No, NASA still wants peeps in the sky, but the govt dont wanna
01:59:42 <JWHough> GW Bush signed a $2 billion 20-year plan to sendem into space in this fancy rocket
02:00:50 <JWHough> but then Obama was like hell no, and cut NASA off, and in turn wants to fund abortion instead.
02:01:01 <JWHough> but lets not discuss that...
02:01:18 <kAlug> Join The Pirate Bay; I'm sure they'll want a piece of the space open for everyone (including them) once space got privatized.
02:02:07 <JWHough> lol, if I can get lucky and make something like bumptop, and sell it for a gazillion dollars, I'll be able to afford a trip into space anyway
02:03:17 <kAlug> I see... "acquired by Google"
02:03:35 <JWHough> yessur
02:03:41 <JWHough> sir
02:04:53 <kAlug> I'm going to create a sentient connection-making AI (that's my life project anyway). Maybe they'll get interested?
02:05:06 <JWHough> my friend's aunt used to be a VP of Google, so I woulda had connections XD
02:05:23 <JWHough> The trick is to make powerful friends
02:05:33 <JWHough> and you can do anything you want
02:07:37 <kAlug> brb in 108 seconds
02:12:41 <gluxon> kAlug: Any reason why you specified the exact second you would be back? O_o
02:12:47 <gluxon> Or knew for that matter?
02:14:59 <kAlug> Hold on... checking if I got the right video... blame my Internet...
02:15:02 <JWHough> me thinks 'twas a joke
02:15:26 <kAlug> Nope.
02:15:34 <kAlug> Yes. I have a LOST widget on my screen. It was under 4 minutes. Ever watched LOST?
02:22:23 <kAlug> Basicly, this is sort of was supposed to happen with my desktop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu0oV8DcoAM
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02:26:04 <JWHough> kAlug|CS262: I don get it
02:26:55 <kAlug|CS262> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0J4VpEZG8
02:29:41 <JWHough> wasnt that 108 minutes? kAlug|CS262
02:30:14 <kAlug|CS262> Yep, but when I typed that, there was only 1:48 remaining (108 seconds).
02:30:37 <JWHough> what a coincidence :P
02:31:39 <kAlug|CS262> Actually, I was waiting for it.
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02:32:25 <kAlug> JWHough: Do you watch any TV series?
02:33:03 <JWHough> yeah, lots
02:33:37 <JWHough> The Mentalist, Supernatural, NCIS, NCIS:LA are among my favorites, to name a few
02:34:56 <kAlug> Mainly procedural series, I see.
02:43:36 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: I'm working on packaging Aptana Studio Portable right now. However, I've just read that the Aptana trademark requires permission for usage. You don't have a problem with me requesting permission, right?
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02:43:40 <gluxon> ...
02:43:48 <gluxon> Uh :-/
02:46:48 <kAlug> gluxon: Stay with Eclipse. Aptana is a plugin.
02:49:24 <gluxon> Aptana has forked Eclipse's code and started to become it's own thing.
02:50:35 <gluxon> kAlug -> http://portableapps.com/node/22036#comment-137969
02:50:42 <gluxon> 3 years ago..
02:50:50 <gluxon> My writing style changed completely :-/
02:53:31 <kAlug> And mine switched from the forums to the IRC ::/
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02:54:20 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
02:54:34 <gluxon> I should update Eclipse Portable to 3.7.2 too.
02:54:47 <kAlug> hi vf2nsr
02:55:00 <vf2nsr> hi ya kAlug
02:55:01 <gluxon> I'm happy to use custom NSIS again though :D
02:55:08 <gluxon> Hello vf2nsr
02:55:36 <kAlug> Oh yeah, that reminds me I was think on rewriting PAL in C.
02:55:49 <vf2nsr> Hi gluxon
02:56:13 <gluxon> kAlug: I want to rewrite PAL in C++
02:56:21 <gluxon> It'll give us the ability to sequence operations in the INI.
02:57:02 <kAlug> 1. It's possible too. 2. What do you mean?
02:57:09 <gluxon> kAlug: When was the last time Chris Morgan's been around?
02:57:43 <gluxon> kAlug: Right now, the launcher has a set precedence for operations in the INI (FileWrite before FileMove).
02:57:56 <gluxon> I personally think the developer should have control of that
02:58:17 <gluxon> Based on the position of the INI section in the INI file.
02:58:56 <kAlug> Let me see the last time I summoned John and him...
02:59:37 <JWHough> Speech recognition is terrible on windows.
02:59:50 <kAlug> gluxon: March 24/25
03:00:02 <JWHough> It took me 10 minutes to say this
03:00:11 <gluxon> Hm... ok.
03:01:07 <kAlug> I was thinking on a yielding approach. So, the launcher reads a section from the INI, then finds and calls a function to handle it.
03:03:10 <JWHough> I was thinking on a Yielding a rope trick.
03:03:23 <JWHough> that's your first sentence kAlug
03:04:29 <JWHough> Walk onto the court will not start out of work and (that's "Welcome to the Portableapps.com Support Channel")
03:04:49 <kAlug> yield, as in "a feature of a coroutine in computer programming"
03:05:26 <kAlug> Wait...
03:05:40 <JWHough> Age are called beta carotene are already
03:05:53 <JWHough> "a feature of a coroutine in computer programming"
03:06:12 <JWHough> speech recognition is destroying my CPU
03:06:52 <kAlug> Well, that explains why I'm not understanding one word of what you're saying.
03:06:59 <gluxon> JWHough: Turn it off :-/
03:07:09 <JWHough> i just did
03:10:18 <gluxon> kAlug: How does one commit code to the PortableApps.com Launcher?
03:10:48 <kAlug> `hg commit`
03:11:51 <kAlug> Then you can 1) `hg push` to the server, *if you have permission*, or 2) send an `hg export` to someone with permission.
03:12:17 <gluxon> Where's the repo located?
03:13:11 <kAlug> You have selected Microsoft Sam as the computer's default voice.
03:13:18 <kAlug> oops...
03:13:19 <kAlug> http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/
03:14:15 <gluxon> Thank you :)
03:14:38 <JWHough> kAlug: ????
03:15:04 <JWHough> "You have selected Microsoft Sam as the computer's default voice."
03:15:43 <kAlug> A relic from Windows XP.
03:16:02 <kAlug> http://wackypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Microsoft_Sam
03:16:03 <JWHough> yeah, but what made you say that? O_o
03:16:15 <JWHough> Me and Same go way back, brah ;)
03:16:19 <JWHough> *Sam
03:17:07 <JWHough> At school, we'd make him say inappropriate things, until we discoverd it was much easier with google translate XD
03:19:35 <kAlug> Ctrl-C Ctrl-V, that's why I wrote it (see the line below it)
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03:38:57 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
03:39:32 <vf2nsr> gluxon: can I ask you a quick question in I am?
03:39:41 <vf2nsr> IM
03:39:52 <gluxon> vf2nsr: Go ahead.
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04:12:01 <vf2nsr> gluxon: figure out what triggered the false positive on dameonfs last nite?
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13:53:03 <AndySZA> help!
13:53:03 <GizmoBot> AndySZA: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
13:57:54 <AndySZA> Hi. Anyone have problems downloading System Explorer Portable 3.8.7 from the PA site? My Bitdefender reports a virus and so does virustotal.com (https://www.virustotal.com/file/61edebcaebdb593b9c85bce7f242cdffe12d887743c02c49ab04054177cba57a/analysis/1334786502/) ?
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14:29:34 <Gizmokid2005> AndySZA: those are likely false positives
14:29:44 <Gizmokid2005> all of our files are checked prior to upload to ensure they're clean.
14:36:59 <AndySZA> Yeah, I assumed as much, will try again in a few days. The original from the developers downloads fine and virustotal indicates a 4/42 positive.
14:38:45 <AndySZA> I tried sneaking it in via a backdoor - wget on linux and scp to windows ... bitdefender blocked it again :P and getting support from them is like trying to squeeze blood from a stone
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14:55:56 <martijn> Hello
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14:56:33 <Guest64291> Does anyone know how to get rid of the read-only warning when running a portable app from a CD-ROM?
14:56:51 <Guest64291> I'm trying to run Google Chrom from a CD and it does work, but everytime I launch it, I get the read-only warning
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16:02:31 <Gizmokid2005> AndySZA: yeah, unfortunately not much we can do either :(
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16:14:20 <David_Bradbury> Out of curiosity, is there a way to download and run these portable apps without the extra interface and without having to go through the 'install'?
16:16:28 <Mir> yes and no
16:17:08 <David_Bradbury> How so?
16:17:14 <Mir> a few of the apps are already quite anturaly portable and can be found in a zip
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16:17:43 <David_Bradbury> In particular I'm looking at Firefox 3.6 if that helps
16:17:54 <Mir> no because some just are not and the installer makes sure the settings are placed and written so that they are portable
16:18:04 <Mir> no on that
16:18:19 <sar3th> David_Bradbury: you can run the application-specific installer once, and after that you won't need it again
16:18:41 * Mir says listen to sar3th
16:19:18 <David_Bradbury> Kk
16:20:12 <sar3th> why are you asking David_Bradbury? any problems?
16:21:40 <David_Bradbury> Oh no particular reason. I'm just at work and policy says we can't use installers here, and usually portable applications (in my experience) don't require one.
16:23:17 <sar3th> ah
16:23:46 <sar3th> well, the easiest would then be to "install" firefox portable on a different computer and then copy the files ;)
16:25:53 <David_Bradbury> Indeed, which is what will likely be done :)
16:27:32 <Mir> that is what needs to be done for Foobar2000 now
16:27:59 <Mir> the 1.1.1 version cannot be installed on vista or Win7 unless you have admin powars
16:30:02 <sar3th> Mir, *caugh* shim *caugh*
16:30:14 <sar3th> oh wait, talking about installing
16:30:17 <sar3th> then manifest maybe
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18:14:51 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
18:14:59 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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18:33:54 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
18:34:07 <ZachThibeau> howdy vf2nsr
18:41:59 <vf2nsr> HI ZachThibeau
18:42:08 <ZachThibeau> what's new?
18:42:25 <vf2nsr> same old thing here just a dfiferent day
18:42:37 <ZachThibeau> heh that so true on so many ways
18:42:42 <ZachThibeau> just not for me today
18:42:49 <ZachThibeau> down with the flu bug today
18:42:58 <vf2nsr> ouch
18:43:08 <vf2nsr> hopefully it not what I had earlier this year
18:43:18 <vf2nsr> took me 6 weeks to get rid of it
18:43:54 <ZachThibeau> I had it monday, tuesday I felt fine and then wednesday I got hit, left work early and now I'm stuck in bed
18:44:06 <ZachThibeau> well not atm but you know what I mean
18:44:08 <ZachThibeau> hey JohnTHaller
18:44:27 <JohnTHaller> hola
18:44:51 <ZachThibeau> finally have my new monitor, playing catchup on bugs etc for PChat now
18:47:56 <JohnTHaller> fun fun
18:48:27 <ZachThibeau> indeed, missed 2 months I could of been working on that, but at least I'm now moved and have a steady job
18:50:53 <vf2nsr> bbiaf going to grab some more coffee
19:05:55 <ZachThibeau> holy, has it really been 5 years on portableapps.com for me? time flies for sure
19:10:50 <vf2nsr> feeling old ZachThibeau lol
19:11:30 <ZachThibeau> actually yes, not from how many years on portableapps.com but because of the gray hair I have from working at call centers
19:11:52 <vf2nsr> :)
19:12:01 <ZachThibeau> mind you it looks more like highlights than anything but it's noticable
19:12:37 <ZachThibeau> as of now though I am the youngest in my family to go grey this early
19:13:15 <vf2nsr> Well like I told my daughter when she teased me I said it may be grey but it is still there lol (loss of hair is prevelant in my family)
19:13:45 <ZachThibeau> yeah full head of hair is prefferable :P
19:14:04 <ZachThibeau> but seriously I'm 23 soon to be 24, a little early in my opinion lol
19:14:49 <vf2nsr> think of it as you being rich it is not grey but silver
19:15:50 <ZachThibeau> lol true enough
19:16:26 <vf2nsr> That is what my mom used to say
19:16:26 <ZachThibeau> speaking of hair, I need to go to a hair dresser and get my hair cut, my mop needs shortened and heat released
19:21:32 <vf2nsr> gtg bbl ttyl
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19:37:50 <pa_1078> hello
19:38:15 <JohnTHaller> hello, how can we help you?
19:38:35 <pa_1078> can i make a link so it can go to .exe
19:38:49 <JohnTHaller> You mean a shortcut?
19:38:54 <pa_1078> yes
19:39:22 <JohnTHaller> On your local computer, you just right-click an EXE and select 'Create shortcut'
19:40:01 <pa_1078> ok but it will not show on portable apps
19:40:22 <JohnTHaller> So, you want another EXE to show up in the PA.c Platform, that's what you mena?
19:40:32 <pa_1078> yes
19:40:47 <JohnTHaller> You just need to put the EXE in the right place and the PA.c Platform will find it: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
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19:41:14 <pa_1078> thank you
19:41:20 <JohnTHaller> you're welcome
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20:07:15 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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21:01:39 <JohnTHaller> vf2nsr: I dropped you an email about RedNoteBook.
21:01:54 <vf2nsr> ok john let me look
21:02:35 <vf2nsr> let me check JOhn
21:04:07 <vf2nsr> john you still have the link
21:04:32 <vf2nsr> should work now
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21:05:50 <JohnTHaller> no
21:06:13 <vf2nsr> ok check email link in it
21:06:25 <JohnTHaller> wait, found it
21:06:31 <vf2nsr> ok
21:06:42 <vf2nsr> sorry thought you had it so put it into a different folder
21:06:57 <JohnTHaller> got it
21:07:02 <vf2nsr> :)
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21:58:12 <Rick___> Greetings. I am looking for some help with the Autorun.inf file
21:58:38 <JohnTHaller> What kind of help do you need Rick___?
21:59:09 <Rick___> Maybe that's not even the problem.
21:59:32 <Rick___> If I insert an empty Flash Drive, the Autoplay screen that pops up is the generic one.
22:00:01 <JohnTHaller> Correct. autorun.inf on flash drives is no longer supported by Windows for security reasons. It can only be used to rename a drive and change its icon.
22:00:02 <Rick___> Once I install PortableApps, the Autoplay thinks its a drive with pictures.
22:00:59 <Rick___> Is there a way to make PortableApps run then... even sorta automatically?
22:01:33 <JohnTHaller> Not directly by Windows. We do have a utility in the works. Here is an older public test of it: http://portableapps.com/node/13770
22:01:45 <Rick___> Thank you
22:01:50 <JohnTHaller> You will need to rename Start.exe to StartPortableApps.exe for now, though (the utility is meant for the older platform)
22:02:05 <Rick___> Ok, thanks
22:02:28 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. We'll have the a final utility that the platform will let you install to your own PC done in the near future.
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22:22:33 <JohnTHaller> vf2nsr|away: It's up :)
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22:25:23 <kAlug> hi
22:25:27 <JohnTHaller> hola
22:25:37 <kAlug> halo JohnTHaller
22:27:41 <JohnTHaller> when you type it like that, I hear this in my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjvo0SPAOiQ
22:35:37 <kAlug> I can't hear it ATM, but I got it.
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23:23:58 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
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