IRC Log from 2012-05-10
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00:08:53 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:09:04 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:09:48 <ZachThibeau> hola JohnTHaller
00:10:04 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:10:12 <ZachThibeau> how are you doing today?
00:10:47 <JohnTHaller> Not bad. Been busy catching up on the last few app updates. Even got gPodder done. And just uploaded a Geany PR. Finishing the last LibreOffice/Java bits tonight
00:11:20 <ZachThibeau> cool, I need to get pr2 for PChat uploaded, been so busy with work that I've been putting it off and I shouldn't any longer
00:27:06 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: When you get a chance: http://portableapps.com/node/32134
00:27:22 <JohnTHaller> Everybody, we have two apps in pre-release in need of testers: http://portableapps.com/node/19705
00:27:36 <JohnTHaller> For now, I must step away from the screen until this headache subsides.
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01:12:57 <OliverK> JohnTHaller|away: please hit me up on twitter or email me - I might miss messages in this channel
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01:19:01 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: I was planning on emailing you if you hadn't responded :)
01:19:10 <OliverK> alright then
01:19:13 <JohnTHaller> I stayed log in to be sure you did.
01:19:14 <OliverK> i'll take a look at it
01:19:38 <OliverK> since windows is now back on my primary machine it won't be such a pain in the ass to get this done
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01:20:42 <JohnTHaller> I repacked Geany using AppCompactor from a clean install, added in the new splash, added file associations to appinfo.ini, updated the launcher to unicode and reworked the installer custom nsh.
01:24:54 <OliverK> I'll take a look - did you use anything from github?
01:25:10 <OliverK> also: I need to get ready for work
01:25:19 <JohnTHaller> I grabbed your github package and then updated from there to be sure I didn't miss anything.
01:25:30 <OliverK> cool - so it was useful :)
01:25:32 <OliverK> night
01:25:38 <JohnTHaller> Gnight
01:31:37 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: I'm in the process of adding the fixes for rev 4, and see these lines in installer.ini: Opt.dir1=App\gimp\share locale and Rem.Dir1=App\gimp\share\locale. Aren't these mutually exclusive?
01:35:07 <JohnTHaller> Nope. If you're upgrading and aren't selecting the optional components, you want to ensure they are removed. Due to RemoveAppDirectory=false
01:37:25 <GordCaswell> Ok. and since OptionaSectionInstalledWhenSilent, the optional directory should be included when upgrading within the platform, right?
01:38:51 <JohnTHaller> It's installed when users are installing in non-English... or English with Install all Languages selected in the platform (coming soon)
01:39:38 <GordCaswell> ah..that would be why i'm not getting that section. Looks like i need to install rev 3 external to the platform then to get everything :)
01:40:24 <JohnTHaller> Yup, that's it.
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02:19:35 <vf2nsr> evening all
02:19:48 <GordCaswell> evening
02:20:02 <JohnTHaller> hola
02:24:40 <vf2nsr> Gord you did great getting Gimp up and running love the interface miss the old splash though this one is anti-climatic lol
02:28:38 <JohnTHaller> They have a really subtle/classy splash now, so I adapted our graphics to it. I think it works.
02:29:13 <JohnTHaller> Sadly, my old plugin portablization code no longer works as GIMP checksums plugin paths. I was able to preserve font cache so same PC 2nd starts are nice and snappy.
02:29:33 <GordCaswell> yeah, i like it. it's subtle, like our new branding in general
02:30:40 <JohnTHaller> Thanks. Our designer, DJ, and I spent some time on it to achieve a balance we were happy with.
02:31:07 <vf2nsr> I like our port of it just like d old one
02:31:31 <vf2nsr> guess I am old fashion sort of like I like the old notepad++
02:31:37 <JohnTHaller> heh
02:31:57 <JohnTHaller> goal with our new graphics is to keep it subtle/professional and let the app icons/graphics stand out more.
02:32:01 <vf2nsr> In fact I hav eit customed on my local notepad to just the chameleon and pencil
02:32:19 <vf2nsr> I am impressed with the PA part
02:32:27 <vf2nsr> that was not meant as a comlaint
02:32:39 <JohnTHaller> I know :)
02:32:41 <vf2nsr> not fond of their graphic tha twas all
02:33:07 <vf2nsr> They runnin ginto same fontconfig issue I did with Rednotebook?
02:33:09 <JohnTHaller> btw - gPodder 3.1 was a beast to get working and slimmed down. It would have been 178MB installed.
02:33:40 <JohnTHaller> vf2nsr: You mean is GIMP? Yes, but GIMP shows you what it's doing. And we can't use the same workaround as you want all your fonts available.
02:34:16 <vf2nsr> yes JohnTHaller I know wmy work around would not work just ws curious if similar issue
02:34:42 <JohnTHaller> Yup, exact same slowdown. GIMP has its splash up and lets you know it's indexing fonts, though.
02:35:30 <vf2nsr> no way my work around could work because Gimp I think actually uses the fonts RNB did not
02:35:41 <vf2nsr> so basicallly a python issue it seems
02:37:35 <vf2nsr> good to see Geany up in pre release
02:37:51 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. I figured I'd just carve out 20 mins and build it up.
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02:38:05 <vf2nsr> awesome
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02:38:21 <JohnTHaller> Goal is to have all outdated apps done this week
02:38:30 <vf2nsr> nice
02:38:43 <vf2nsr> Hey got a quick one for you john hopefully easy
02:39:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok, Google Chrome Beta up.
02:39:11 <Gord|building> Let me know whenever you want us to ramp up new apps after that, and we'll start cranking them out.
02:39:30 <JohnTHaller> Now back to LibreOffice auto-detection of installed VC runtime and long path fix.
02:39:33 <Gord|building> and by me, i mean me, zach, either one
02:39:34 <vf2nsr> remember on the outdated page there was a link to why we were not going with the java 7.3
02:39:44 <vf2nsr> do you still have that link per chance?
02:40:13 <JohnTHaller> vf2nsr: Right, but Java 7 is now official and recommended for end users. So that link is no longer valid. I think they removed that page.
02:40:25 <vf2nsr> ah ok tyvm
02:40:37 <vf2nsr> want to read what the original issues were
02:41:45 <JohnTHaller> It was partially a browser support issue. And partially that it would break OpenOffice.org. That's why they can release it now since Apache OpenOffice 3.4 was released.
02:42:02 <JohnTHaller> (those were not listed as official reasons, but they are the major ones)
02:42:08 <vf2nsr> that is what I remembered
02:42:32 <vf2nsr> was just wondering as the other program I volunteer for has major web based java in it for commerce
02:42:55 <vf2nsr> so wanted to keep an eye on any issues that may pop up and compare tehm to "known" issues
02:47:45 <vf2nsr> Thanks for the info John
02:48:03 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
02:49:02 <vf2nsr> now I just need to figure why Chrome and our website do not play nice together lol (our meaning other chat program)
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04:21:30 <Gord|building> JohnTHaller: would this be acorrect use of ${ReplaceInFile}?
04:21:31 <Gord|building> ${ReplaceInFile} "$INSTDIR\App\DefaultData\pygimp.interp" "$4$INSTDIR" "$2$3"
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04:22:08 <JohnTHaller> Knee deep in LibO atm
04:22:17 <Gord|building> $4 is "P:", $2 is PAL:LastDrive, and $3 is PAL:LastDir
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04:25:54 <JohnTHaller> No way to just have PAL write the file out rather than worrying about replacing? Or just switching it to relative so we don't have to worry about it?
04:27:15 <Gord|building> Hmm, i could try...i have it in installer custom code at the moment, if relative paths work, i could switch to that, and then not worry about it. I'll check if that works for sure.
04:27:27 <Gord|building> Relative is easier, for sure.
04:27:56 <JohnTHaller> Or do the trick we often do, which is stick a unique string on there as a seed. Have a replace of that to current. And then a 2nd replace to update the path from there on.
04:29:49 <Gord|building> d'oh...i'm copying the file in from defaultdata for everyone, so yeah, that'd work. Gotta love when you make things harder for yourself than neccessary :)
04:30:00 <Gord|building> *deletes copious amounts of code*
04:30:17 <JohnTHaller> yay. we love doing that
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04:52:18 <Gord|building> Ok, I haven't seen this particular error from the installer before: "Error: could not resolve label "_LogicLib_Label_226" in install section "GIMP Portable (English) [Required]" (0)
04:52:19 <Gord|building> Error - aborting creation process"
04:55:28 <JohnTHaller> That means you have an IF, AndIf, EndIf or some other custom coding error.
04:55:45 <JohnTHaller> You'll get nothing better than that in terms of an error from anything, either.
04:55:51 <Gord|building> Ah...i know what it is, then
05:20:43 <Gord|building> Ok, John, it'll be on it's way to you shortly. gotta reboot, then i'm uploading it
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08:09:01 <bluebell_rose> finally got in here
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08:35:22 <bluebell_rose__> hi
08:35:27 <bluebell_rose__> sorry about the poofing earlier
08:35:39 <bluebell_rose__> I seemed to have connected to a dead server lol
08:36:30 <bluebell_rose__> i guess I'll wait lol
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09:32:20 <kAlug> bluebell_rose__: Can we help you with something?
09:32:53 <bluebell_rose__> hi
09:33:17 <kAlug> hi
09:33:19 * bluebell_rose__ is trying to figure out how to make something work again on pchat
09:33:44 <kAlug> ZachThibeau: you there?
09:35:06 <bluebell_rose__> lol
09:35:28 <bluebell_rose__> somehow channel notices aren't showing in a notice balloon anymore
09:35:34 <bluebell_rose__> it used to do it but not anymore
09:35:35 <kAlug> bluebell_rose__: I'm don't know much about PChat, but I can try to help you anyway. Can you wait a few more minutes?
09:35:42 <bluebell_rose__> ok
09:37:39 <kAlug> good. will be back in a few minutes.
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09:45:54 <kAlug> bluebell_rose__: i'm back
09:45:59 <bluebell_rose__> earlier I was uh trying to figure out how not to keep from getting kicked from here
09:46:00 <bluebell_rose__> xD
09:46:08 <bluebell_rose__> freenode kept disconnecting me
09:48:14 <kAlug> Possibly you are using a registered nickname
09:48:26 <bluebell_rose__> :)
09:48:38 <bluebell_rose__> I couldn't get a feature working so came for help here
09:49:05 <kAlug> Which one?
09:49:28 <bluebell_rose__> xD
09:49:31 <bluebell_rose__> pchat
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09:52:13 <bluebell_rose__> meep
09:55:56 <TPFC-SYSTEM> bluebell_rose__: kAlug lives in Brazil and loses power quite often. :(
09:56:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> As for your problem, I use KVIrc Portable myself (so I'm afraid I can't help you).
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09:57:18 <bluebell_rose__> meep
09:57:31 <bluebell_rose__> I like firefox portable lol
09:57:57 <bluebell_rose__> used to use it at school when the school techs refused to reinstall firefox after upgrading the system
09:58:53 <kAlug> It was our first portable app.
10:01:13 <kAlug> Which was your problem with PChat anyway?
10:03:10 <bluebell_rose__> I couldn't figure out how to get channel notices to pop up in a balloon again
10:04:33 <kAlug> Isn't there any settings for it?
10:10:08 <kAlug> Sorry, I'll have to leave now. Is there any way for us to contact you? (In case of email, prefix the line with @@ so it doesn't show up in the logs).
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15:37:41 <keyzs> help!
15:38:14 <keyzs> always get a invalid certificate on pchat on freenode
15:38:22 <keyzs> cant login
15:47:21 <OliverK> try not connecting to the ssl version
15:47:33 <OliverK> and post a bug report \ search on portableapps.com
15:47:49 <OliverK> ./server irc.freenode.net +6667
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16:28:39 <JohnTHaller> OliverK: Did you get a chance to check out Geany? I'd like to get it released today or tomorrow so all apps are caught up.
16:33:02 <JohnTHaller> brb
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17:23:07 <OliverK> .tell johnthaller I ran out of time today - goofed around on the internet to long. I'm planning to look at it tomorrow - less goofing more working
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17:25:46 <OliverK> .tell johnthaller I ran out of time today - goofed around on the internet to long. I'm planning to look at it tomorrow - less goofing more working
17:25:46 <GizmoBot> OliverK: I'll pass that on when johnthaller is around.
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18:47:57 <bluebell_rose__> hi
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18:53:50 <kAlug> Hi John
18:55:16 <JohnTHaller> hola
18:56:57 <kAlug> How you doing?
18:57:40 <JohnTHaller> Hanging in. Sleepy after a late night of fixing LibreOffice Portable bugs and adding new features.
19:02:09 <kAlug> In PAL, For PA.cDocuments and friends, what about using DataDir as fallback?
19:03:32 <JohnTHaller> I was thinking 1) see if the env var is set by platform and if it exists use that. 2) check the hardcoded version which would be 2 parents up from EXEDIR and the Documents for PA.cDocuments
19:04:09 <JohnTHaller> 3) Check the hardcoded version at the root of the current drive which would be X:\Documents 4) use root of current drive
19:04:32 <JohnTHaller> We don't want documents in Data as a general rule. It's possible data can be reset (it's a feature in an upcoming platform)
19:05:26 <JohnTHaller> SO, if we run from X:\Portables\PortableApps\ACMEPortable. We'd first check then env var, then X:\Portables\Documents, then X:\Documents. Then just X:\
19:06:19 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna start custom coding that into apps until PAL has it anyway as RealPA.cDocuments env var. It's already in LibreOffice.
19:06:34 <kAlug> Okay. WIP...
19:09:30 <JohnTHaller> That all make sense both logically and in terms of technically how you'd like to handle it?
19:12:14 <JohnTHaller> Basically this: http://pastebin.com/wJYwGTz6
19:21:07 <bluebell_rose__> hi
19:23:03 <JohnTHaller> hello
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22:48:46 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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