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03:14:19 <vf2nsr> gluxon: you around?
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15:37:01 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
15:37:01 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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16:57:06 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
16:57:06 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
16:58:18 <JWHough> JohnTHaller: any thoughts on smart defrag?
16:58:18 <JWHough> JohnTHaller: any thoughts on smart defrag?
17:04:35 <JohnTHaller> JWHough: You mean about the IE cache file?
17:04:35 <JohnTHaller> JWHough: You mean about the IE cache file?
17:04:43 <JWHough> yeah
17:04:43 <JWHough> yeah
17:05:02 <JohnTHaller> have you tried redirecting USERPROFILE to see if it helps? Note that you should only do that if it doesn't open any links.
17:05:02 <JohnTHaller> have you tried redirecting USERPROFILE to see if it helps? Note that you should only do that if it doesn't open any links.
17:06:08 <JWHough> I don't get that... I know you've mentioned it before, but if I were to do that, wouldn't that USERPROFILE change apply to all apps?
17:06:08 <JWHough> I don't get that... I know you've mentioned it before, but if I were to do that, wouldn't that USERPROFILE change apply to all apps?
17:06:34 <JohnTHaller> It only applies within context. So the current app. And any apps it launches. That's the kicker.
17:06:34 <JohnTHaller> It only applies within context. So the current app. And any apps it launches. That's the kicker.
17:07:06 <JWHough> and I'd do this by setting the USERPROFILE environmental variable in PAL, right?
17:07:07 <JWHough> and I'd do this by setting the USERPROFILE environmental variable in PAL, right?
17:07:28 <JohnTHaller> Correct. But I think it has links in it (to its own homepage and ads). WHich would mean we can't do that
17:07:28 <JohnTHaller> Correct. But I think it has links in it (to its own homepage and ads). WHich would mean we can't do that
17:08:17 <JWHough> hmm?
17:08:17 <JWHough> hmm?
17:08:57 <JWHough> If the profile variable is different, and the ads get added to the different profile folder, how would changing it matter?
17:08:57 <JWHough> If the profile variable is different, and the ads get added to the different profile folder, how would changing it matter?
17:09:01 <JohnTHaller> If an app has links, it can open a browser, which would mean you'd be opening another app within the same conext (USERPROFILE change) and it gets messy
17:09:01 <JohnTHaller> If an app has links, it can open a browser, which would mean you'd be opening another app within the same conext (USERPROFILE change) and it gets messy
17:09:21 <JWHough> I see
17:09:21 <JWHough> I see
17:09:40 <JohnTHaller> Essentially, on a system with IE as the default, you'd be opening up IE portably pointing to the userprofile within Smart Defrag Portable... messy
17:09:40 <JohnTHaller> Essentially, on a system with IE as the default, you'd be opening up IE portably pointing to the userprofile within Smart Defrag Portable... messy
17:09:50 <JWHough> ugh
17:09:50 <JWHough> ugh
17:10:19 <JWHough> So what do you think we should do about this?
17:10:19 <JWHough> So what do you think we should do about this?
17:10:20 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's why we normally don't allow or use it. Except for very specific apps. Sudoku Portable uses it (no links, no other apps)
17:10:20 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's why we normally don't allow or use it. Except for very specific apps. Sudoku Portable uses it (no links, no other apps)
17:11:08 <JohnTHaller> Set AutoCheckUpdate=0 in config.ini and see if it still creates that file
17:11:08 <JohnTHaller> Set AutoCheckUpdate=0 in config.ini and see if it still creates that file
17:11:30 <JohnTHaller> (lots of times apps have a way to disable auto update check only in their config file but not in the GUI)
17:11:30 <JohnTHaller> (lots of times apps have a way to disable auto update check only in their config file but not in the GUI)
17:12:40 <JohnTHaller> I just checked. That works :)
17:12:40 <JohnTHaller> I just checked. That works :)
17:13:01 <JWHough> really? It didn't work for me
17:13:01 <JWHough> really? It didn't work for me
17:13:52 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, my temp inet files stayed perfectly clean
17:13:52 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, my temp inet files stayed perfectly clean
17:14:52 <JWHough> not on my end
17:14:52 <JWHough> not on my end
17:15:02 <JWHough> I just checked agian
17:15:02 <JWHough> I just checked agian
17:15:09 <JohnTHaller> Did you change it in DefaultData and then start it fresh with no Data directory?
17:15:09 <JohnTHaller> Did you change it in DefaultData and then start it fresh with no Data directory?
17:15:15 <JWHough> yep
17:15:15 <JWHough> yep
17:15:32 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait. Now it did it.
17:15:32 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait. Now it did it.
17:15:50 <JohnTHaller> Is the file always the same?
17:15:50 <JohnTHaller> Is the file always the same?
17:16:12 <JWHough> I think so
17:16:12 <JWHough> I think so
17:16:28 <JWHough> but the folder that gots it isn't
17:16:28 <JWHough> but the folder that gots it isn't
17:16:32 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I have code somewhere to remove files from IE cache properly. You can't just do a Delete obviously.
17:16:32 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I have code somewhere to remove files from IE cache properly. You can't just do a Delete obviously.
17:16:52 <JWHough> haha, I wish it were that easy
17:16:52 <JWHough> haha, I wish it were that easy
17:17:42 <JohnTHaller> It's close once you learn how. We just need to tell Windows to remove the file for "http://update.iobit.com/infofiles/smartdefrag/isd2update.upt". It indexes IE cache internally by the URL that is cached.
17:17:42 <JohnTHaller> It's close once you learn how. We just need to tell Windows to remove the file for "http://update.iobit.com/infofiles/smartdefrag/isd2update.upt". It indexes IE cache internally by the URL that is cached.
17:21:37 <JohnTHaller> Hang on, think I have it... gimme just a minute
17:21:37 <JohnTHaller> Hang on, think I have it... gimme just a minute
17:47:08 <JohnTHaller> Can't find the old code, recreated it, but it's failing on an error, still checking...
17:47:08 <JohnTHaller> Can't find the old code, recreated it, but it's failing on an error, still checking...
17:52:39 <JWHough> ah, k. no need to rush.
17:52:39 <JWHough> ah, k. no need to rush.
17:57:41 <JohnTHaller> In theory. This should work: System::Call "wininet.dll::DeleteUrlCacheEntry(t'http://update.iobit.com/infofiles/smartdefrag/isd2update.upt')i .r2"
17:57:41 <JohnTHaller> In theory. This should work: System::Call "wininet.dll::DeleteUrlCacheEntry(t'http://update.iobit.com/infofiles/smartdefrag/isd2update.upt')i .r2"
17:59:03 <JWHough> aight, I'll take a look at it later. I got some business to take care of atm...
17:59:03 <JWHough> aight, I'll take a look at it later. I got some business to take care of atm...
17:59:09 <JohnTHaller> And it should place a true or false, 1 or 0, in $2. But it is failing. When I call the API to check the last error, it give me ERROR_FILE_EXISTS
17:59:09 <JohnTHaller> And it should place a true or false, 1 or 0, in $2. But it is failing. When I call the API to check the last error, it give me ERROR_FILE_EXISTS
18:01:26 <JohnTHaller> Added the details to the topic so it's in one place
18:01:26 <JohnTHaller> Added the details to the topic so it's in one place
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19:02:33 <OliverK> .tell JohnTHaller you didn't pull from my github repo . . . . . . even though it works. If you want to release it go for it
19:02:33 <OliverK> .tell JohnTHaller you didn't pull from my github repo . . . . . . even though it works. If you want to release it go for it
19:02:34 <GizmoBot> OliverK: I'll pass that on when JohnTHaller is around.
19:02:34 <GizmoBot> OliverK: I'll pass that on when JohnTHaller is around.
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19:55:58 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
19:55:58 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
19:56:37 <vf2nsr> Gizmokid2005: Looks like IRC is double logging you aware of that?
19:56:37 <vf2nsr> Gizmokid2005: Looks like IRC is double logging you aware of that?
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20:52:11 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
20:52:11 <GizmoBot> JWHough JW Hough (aka Pyromaniac) is a developer at PortableApps.com and has been a member for over 3 years. You can find his apps at http://portableapps.com/node/26055
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21:15:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
21:15:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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