IRC Log from 2012-06-19
00:00:32 <kAlug> Suggested schedule: one feature = one release
00:00:43 <ZachThibeau> nope
00:00:53 <ZachThibeau> more like a linux kernel style release schedule
00:01:07 <ZachThibeau> every 3 months new release with beta's and rc's in between
00:01:24 <JohnTHaller> Are you going to fix the issues with the current release soon?
00:02:05 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on it but I may have to scrap monolithic gtk for now and just go with the original gtk distrib for now
00:02:30 <ZachThibeau> the reason I had tests was in hopes to get something like this fixed in testing but when people don't report issues it's a pain in the ass :/
00:02:44 <JohnTHaller> I'd suggest getting a working version out ASAP regardless of the GTK implementation. Functional is better than pretty. And the whole userbase on PA.c autoupdated to the latest version being unable to save settings is a big deal.
00:03:40 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'll get a build sent to you via email later tonight and trust me I know it's a big deal, I just need people to report issues while it's still in testing instead of waiting till release :/
00:05:16 <JohnTHaller> I know. And we often don't get enough testers. But it doesn't matter once a bug is found after release. If you leave users unable to save settings for 2 weeks, they're gonna start looking at alternatives (legal or not).
00:06:47 <JohnTHaller> Fixing bugs is never sexy (and usually annoying as crap). But users hate us devs when we don't fix big things.
00:07:32 <kAlug> Has any of you heard of Talk.to?
00:07:35 <ZachThibeau> anyways tonight the fix will be there
00:08:59 <ZachThibeau> as for monlithic gtk I think the issue is in relation to how gtk picks up the user information on the host pc, I'll fix that for PChat 1.6 but tonight PChat 1.5.1 will be shipped tonight
00:09:09 <ZachThibeau> as soon as 30 mins actually
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00:27:29 <ZachThibeau> ok binary is built
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00:29:01 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: probably won't be able to release it tonight. I think SourceForge's mirroring system just died again.
00:29:26 <ZachThibeau> no worries, I'll host it on my vps for now until you are ready
00:30:19 <JohnTHaller> I can post it in the AM. No sense rushing it out (and paying bandiwidth) for a difference of hours if it's been a couple weeks.
00:31:10 <bluebell_rose> hey zach
00:31:32 <bluebell_rose> :( I had to downgrade back to pchat 1.4
00:31:42 <ZachThibeau> I always mirror my releases
00:31:55 <ZachThibeau> and bluebell_rose don't get used to it, fix should be rolled out tomorrow
00:32:13 <bluebell_rose> 1.5 wasn't uh letting me copy paste stuff from it to my browser or a notepad page
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00:32:50 <ZachThibeau> always worked for me, but could of been yet another monolithic gtk issue
00:33:13 <bluebell_rose> 1.4 is letting me though
00:33:33 <ZachThibeau> I really need to fix those issues, again goes back to wish people report issues when this was still in testing and not when I just release the program
00:34:14 <bluebell_rose> I didn't have that issue with the pre release
00:34:43 <JohnTHaller> oh, looks like mirroring isn't dead
00:35:08 <ZachThibeau> either way I'm going to redo monolithic gtk, once I perfect the patch I'm sending it upstream
00:35:13 <ZachThibeau> awesome JohnTHaller
00:35:26 <ZachThibeau> brb
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00:39:07 <ZachThibeau> ok uploading fix now
00:41:09 <ZachThibeau> anyways JohnTHaller source is untouched it's just primarily using the primary gtk sdk instead of my hacked attempt
00:41:18 <JohnTHaller> Ok cool
00:41:35 <ZachThibeau> http://downloads.pchat-irc.net/PChatPortable_1.5.1.paf.exe
00:42:16 <JohnTHaller> you want me to sign it before SF or upload untouched so MD5 matches?
00:42:33 <ZachThibeau> better to sign
00:42:54 <ZachThibeau> I lost my cert in a hard drive crash
00:43:02 <JohnTHaller> Any reason you don't have MoveDirectoryOK set?
00:43:35 <ZachThibeau> trying to remember what that was for
00:43:45 <ZachThibeau> oh right
00:43:58 <JohnTHaller> Let's you move an app between directories (not just drive letters). We're basically gonna require all apps support that.
00:44:30 <ZachThibeau> yeah I didn't get a chance to catch up on the latest launcher stuff
00:44:46 <ZachThibeau> been a busy 2 months with moving and playing bill catch up
00:44:48 <JohnTHaller> I can rebuild it with PAL 2.2RC and DirectoryMoveOK=yes
00:44:48 <JohnTHaller> and SupportsUNC=yes and send it back to you for you to post
00:44:57 <ZachThibeau> sure
00:45:26 <JohnTHaller> You need an updated splash anyway. Gimme a minute
00:45:31 <ZachThibeau> ok
00:46:05 <ZachThibeau> I'm slowly changing some PChat graphics internally, kind of going for a faenza icon feel
00:46:27 <ZachThibeau> for the main program icon anyways
00:46:39 <JohnTHaller> updated your help file and graphics
00:48:26 <JohnTHaller> You want a dual URL splash screen with PA.c on the left and your URL on the right?
00:48:54 <ZachThibeau> alrighty another thing I plan to do is setup an automated process for packaging and sure new url is .net now just so you know
00:49:26 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's http://pchat-irc.net/ on the app page
00:50:39 <JohnTHaller> Good? http://portableapps.com/temp/PChatPortable.jpg
00:50:41 <ZachThibeau> on top of the new release schedule I'm also revamping my blog layout, still same theme just getting things rearranged in terms how information is displayed and also getting a more automated process of building and release apps
00:50:51 <ZachThibeau> awesome :D
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00:52:44 <ZachThibeau> hey gluxon
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00:52:58 <gluxon> Hi ZachThibeau
00:53:35 <gluxon> Good luck with PChat.
00:53:38 <ZachThibeau> but yeah got a working shell script that builds PChat automatically, just need to add building the installer and uploading it to my vps all in one command
00:53:53 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: PMed you link to build. Lemme know if it's good by you
00:54:12 <ZachThibeau> looks good from here
00:54:28 <JohnTHaller> Updated to PAL 2.2RC2 and added UNC and move dir support. UPdated help.html and associated images. And a shiny new splash. All digitally signed and virus scanned.
00:55:01 <JohnTHaller> Ok, uploading to SF now...
00:55:32 <JohnTHaller> Now back to updating miscategorized apps
00:58:23 <ZachThibeau> I already perfected my mingw build script, automatically downloads and compiles the latest mingw-w64 crt and the gcc sources and compiles the latest compiler I use to build PChat with
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01:19:58 <JohnTHaller> Ok, PChat is mirrored, gonna push it out
01:25:34 <JohnTHaller> PChat 1.5.1 is out: http://portableapps.com/news/2012-06-18--pchat-portable-1.5.1-released
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02:33:50 <ZachThibeau> hi GordCaswell
02:34:31 <GordCaswell> hi ZachThibeau
02:41:18 <ZachThibeau> what's up?
02:41:31 <GordCaswell> not too much. catching up on a backload of apps
02:42:59 <ZachThibeau> I'm almost to the point where I can do some testing.
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02:47:24 <pigeo10> Hi?
02:47:30 <GordCaswell> excellent :) since John's started releasing apps with PAL 2.2RC2, I expect we'll be able to add new apps soon.
02:47:39 <GordCaswell> hello pigeo10. Can we help you?
02:47:40 <ZachThibeau> yeah just got PChat using it now too
02:48:37 <pigeo10> Nope, just stopping by, checking out the pidgin app :)
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02:53:10 <GordCaswell> Found a bug, zach. I'm unable to change the file transfer download directory from %userprofile%\documents\downloads
02:53:56 <GordCaswell> hmm, let me clarify: i can type it into the box, but not browse to the folder
02:54:03 <ZachThibeau> that's not a bug that's a feature ;)
02:54:18 <ZachThibeau> and yeah I know, it's been plaguing me for a while
02:54:39 <ZachThibeau> pretty much since I updated to the latest xchat svn
02:55:26 <GordCaswell> lol, right...
02:56:23 <ZachThibeau> which is why I need to work on 2.0 from scratch and not based on XChat's code
03:00:33 <GordCaswell> that'll be a fair bit of an undertaking, i take it?
03:01:48 <ZachThibeau> yes and no
03:02:04 <ZachThibeau> making use of libircclient will help things a bit
03:03:37 <ZachThibeau> but will also help me bring features from 1.x into 2.0 and making it smaller in the process of things and possibly much faster
03:15:21 <GordCaswell> nice
03:17:38 <ZachThibeau> I'm also tempted to rewrite how settings are written too
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04:51:03 <bluebell_rose> hi
04:51:13 <bluebell_rose> yay! it worked
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08:52:09 <pa_8422> help!
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12:00:32 <namuh> morning everyone... can someone please tell me how to install an update for a portable app when the app itself notifies you that there is an update at it's native website available?
12:02:18 <namuh> anyone?... help me out with this...
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15:40:38 <andrelopesbrasil> hi
15:40:43 <andrelopesbrasil> Hello to all
15:40:50 <andrelopesbrasil> help!
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15:41:13 <andrelopesbrasil> Ok!, how can i add other applications in my start.exe of portable apps ?
15:41:39 <andrelopesbrasil> like, for instance, lets say, paint or a game.exe
15:41:47 <andrelopesbrasil> Is there anyway to do that ?
15:46:48 <andrelopesbrasil> ?
16:17:05 <Venusaur> You normally put them inside a folder inside the PortableApps folder, but I am sure you aware that regular applications are not portable.
16:18:26 <andrelopesbrasil> but i want to acess them via start.exe
16:18:29 <andrelopesbrasil> i cant do that ?
16:18:36 <andrelopesbrasil> for instance
16:18:42 <andrelopesbrasil> a mega drive emulator is portable
16:18:56 <andrelopesbrasil> why cant i put its exe in start.exe menu ?
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16:21:41 <andrelopesbrasil> i did that and didnt work
16:21:41 <andrelopesbrasil> err
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16:32:01 <andrelopesbrasil> ?
16:43:44 <andrelopesbrasil> ?
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