IRC Log from 2012-06-27

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10:53:57 <keyzs> hi, i was trying to run java with jportable on firefox to put jre working, but cant find a way to launch this
10:53:57 <keyzs> can anybody tell me how it launches?
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11:41:21 <kronophskiy> anyone here?
12:02:59 <Gizmokid2005> kronophskiy: usually, but nobody can answer your question(s) if you don't ask.
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13:44:17 <kAlug> keyzs: Still there?
13:58:58 <keyzs> y
14:11:38 <kAlug> keyzs: Where are Firefox Portable and jPortable installed?
14:12:03 <keyzs> in pc
14:12:05 <keyzs> folder
14:12:23 <kAlug> Which folders?
14:12:24 <keyzs> desktop
14:13:58 <kAlug> I mean, which is the *exact* path to each one of them?
14:42:24 <keyzs> folder on the desktop
14:43:07 <keyzs> C:\Users\user\Desktop\portableapps
14:50:40 <kAlug> So they should be installed at C:\Users\user\Desktop\portableapps\FirefoxPortable and C:\Users\user\Desktop\portableapps\CommonFiles\Java. Is that right?
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15:30:52 <keyzs> yes
15:40:54 <kAlug> Hm. An updated Firefox Portable launcher should be detecting jPortable...
15:49:06 <keyzs> yes
15:49:21 <keyzs> aint launching jportable
15:49:36 <keyzs> not even with java launcher
15:49:43 <keyzs> or im missing something
15:51:18 <kAlug> Check if Java works on this page: http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
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16:15:37 <keyzs> i instaled jre
16:15:39 <keyzs> so
16:15:45 <keyzs> gonna work
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16:24:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> keyzs: Go to about:plugins with Firefox Portable.
16:24:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> jPortable is working if its files are mentioned in that page.
16:24:56 <keyzs> ok
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16:37:54 <keyzs> TPFC-SYSTEM like this http://i.imgur.com/QtCyA.png ?
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16:42:42 <kAlug> keyzs: No. about:plugins
16:43:09 <kAlug> Like this: http://www.ubuntuka.com/static.images/Screenshot-About-Plugins-Mozilla-Firefox.png
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16:47:29 <keyzs> kAlug i instaled jre before but if i didnt have it and nothing showed on list on java what would i have to enable?
16:48:50 <kAlug> Nothing. It should be automatic.
16:49:15 <kAlug> What version of Firefox Portable and jPortable do you have installed.
16:49:17 <kAlug> ?
16:49:52 <keyzs> latest
16:51:43 <kAlug> Can you confirm that C:\Users\user\Desktop\portableapps\CommonFiles\Java\bin\plugin2\npjp2.dll does exist?
16:52:00 <keyzs> let me see
16:53:05 <keyzs> its exists here C:\Users\user\Desktop\portableapps\CommonFiles\Java\bin\plugin2\npjp2.dll
16:53:27 <keyzs> ups
16:53:27 <keyzs> im using 64bit system
16:53:41 <keyzs> C:\Users\luk\Desktop\PortableApps\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java64\bin\plugin2
16:55:53 <kAlug> That's the problem. Java is 64-bit, Firefox is 32-bit.
16:55:59 <kAlug> You need a 32-bit Java.
16:56:52 <kAlug> "jPortable is also available as a 64-bit variant for specific apps that support it to improve performance. **Browsers and office suites will not make use of it.**"
17:54:24 <keyzs> kAlug firefox is always 32bit?
17:54:45 <kAlug> Yes. At least so far.
17:55:12 <keyzs> let me grab another edition
17:55:16 <keyzs> 32bit
18:04:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> keyzs: Even if there was a stable 64-bit version of Firefox, PortableApps.com wouldn't portablize it.
18:04:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.com/node/24371
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18:09:15 <keyzs> TPFC-SYSTEM why dont they make 32bit and 64bit versions?
18:09:21 <keyzs> both
18:10:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know because I don't follow the development of Firefox.
18:10:33 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I *think* 64-bit Firefox has stability issues.
18:11:24 <keyzs> if jportable is running i see Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U5 and jportable on about:plugins no?
18:12:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That's right.
18:15:31 <kAlug> keyzs: Try to open that page I linked to before. It's the official Java test page.
18:16:03 <keyzs> im making a windows virtual machine because i instaled java jre before
18:16:24 <keyzs> want to see if jportable works
18:16:34 <keyzs> comes handy using java portable sometimes
18:19:20 <keyzs> kAlug but i think before i used 32bit too
18:19:33 <keyzs> i instaled both 32 and 64 i think
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18:45:31 <keyzs> done
18:45:37 <keyzs> was the 32bit
18:45:43 <keyzs> now works
18:45:53 <keyzs> thanks you guys
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18:53:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> keyzs: You're welcome. :)
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19:16:32 <pa_3964> Hi, Anyone else having issues with Google+ in the newly updated portable chrome?
19:16:57 <pa_3964> it opens and then switch to a completely "white" page
19:29:16 <kAlug> pa_3964: I'm not sure if is there anyone here using Chrome Portable.
19:29:43 <kAlug> But it loads fine here. Chromium 21.0.1180.11.
19:29:56 <kAlug> Check if it works in another browser.
19:30:30 <pa_3964> kAlug: okay.. I have been using it for a year and from the update which I did today G+ does load but then blanks out.. and it works elsewhere.. so it appears to be something with this package.
19:30:46 <pa_3964> works in IE, Firefox and G+ on my other laptops
19:31:00 <pa_3964> and in chrome on my other laptops :-)
19:32:33 <pa_3964> 20.0.1132.43 is the latest from the portable app..
19:32:42 <pa_3964> except for the beta and dev
19:36:49 <kAlug> Hm. Try clearing your cache.
19:37:07 <pa_3964> Done that :-)
19:37:16 <pa_3964> removed and re-installed
19:37:20 <pa_3964> as well
19:38:58 <pa_3964> it does open the current page, as I can see the stream is updated, but as soon as the whole is loaded it goes white.
19:40:09 <kAlug> Well, everything I can tell you to do right now, is to wait a new release. Sorry.
19:40:35 <kAlug> I'll ask our other developers if they can reproduce your issue, once they come.
19:40:43 <pa_3964> Okay, no worries, just wanted to let someone know there is a potential issue there
19:41:01 <kAlug> OK. Thank you.
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19:50:55 <keyzs> no stress with g+
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21:01:15 <Kiriko> here is a quick question for you guys. if a program susses this part of the registry (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\) can we modify it (as in to save the changes) or not
21:07:48 <Kiriko> this is the first app that i have run into that saves some settings in that loacacion
21:07:55 <Kiriko> location ***
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21:50:40 <Arkhmud> hey Kiriko
21:51:07 <Kiriko> hi there! :)
21:51:35 <Arkhmud> I saw you were looking for me recently (as kAlug).
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21:58:38 <Kiriko> lol
21:58:50 <Kiriko> sorry i did not kn ow you had another nick
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21:59:43 <Arkhmud> Yeah, I changed it recently.
22:00:40 <Kiriko> that is good to know
22:02:31 <Arkhmud> So, how you doing?
22:02:52 <Kiriko> im doing good, i just been working on some new apps
22:03:28 <Kiriko> one in particular is a bit of a challenge since im new to working with GTK
22:05:37 <Kiriko> http://www.synfig.org/cms/
22:07:25 <Kiriko> i did get the app working but the settings are not being saved as needed...
22:10:49 <Arkhmud> Where does it saves the settings?
22:12:19 <Kiriko> it saves them in user profile
22:12:26 <Kiriko> here what i have so far http://www.synfig.org/cms/
22:12:36 <Kiriko> http://www.mediafire.com/?4ufko4s5w0pupum
22:12:59 <Kiriko> sorry clipboard did not copy the link on first try
22:14:57 <Arkhmud> I'll check it out. It'll take me a while to download because I'm already in the middle of a system update.
22:15:08 <Kiriko> oh that sucks
22:15:18 <Kiriko> i hate doing updates...
22:19:45 <Arkhmud> so Use Linux: On-The-Fly updates :)
22:24:31 <Kiriko> i do use it some times i have a dual boot
22:25:13 <Kiriko> i use Ubuntu but im on a netbook with 1GB of ram :(
22:27:36 <keyzs> http://ninite.com/
22:27:47 <Kiriko> lol yea i use that all the time
22:28:25 <Kiriko> it saves time but when the system needs its system updates well it takes for ever
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22:31:54 <Arkhmud> OK, downloading...
22:32:29 <Kiriko> ^_^
22:33:01 <Kiriko> i know that this would be a great addition to portableapps.com
22:33:48 <Kiriko> i do wish we could reduce the size of the program for it is 130 MB's
22:38:49 <Arkhmud> 1. [launcher.ini] You don't need the ProgramExecutableWhenParameters entry if it's the same as ProgramExecutable
22:39:31 <Kiriko> ok will change that now
22:41:09 <Arkhmud> 2. I'm not sure, but I believe Data\settings was supposed to be reserved for the launcher itself. I don't know what is stored by the program in its data directory, but I'd use one of %PAL:DataDir% or %PAL:DataDir%\SynfigStudio
22:43:27 <keyzs> http://wuinstall.com/
22:43:31 <Arkhmud> 3. [launcher.ini\Launch] WaitForProgram, WaitForOtherInstances and CleanTemp are all true by default and _can_ be omitted.
22:43:47 <Kiriko> ok
22:44:16 <Kiriko> syngfig has a file called setting with no extention link
22:44:28 <Arkhmud> Just that?
22:45:22 <Arkhmud> So just use --data-directory=%PAL:DataDir%. First make sure the file is called setting, not settings.
22:45:47 <Kiriko> ok
22:46:15 <Arkhmud> And this seems to be your problem:
22:46:54 <Arkhmud> 4. [launcher.ini\RegistryKeys] You've written HKLM_SOFTWARE; it's HKLM\Software.
22:47:35 <Kiriko> oh i see
22:47:57 <Arkhmud> Also, are you sure that the first entry is on HKLM and not on HKCU? Please see what it does save in there.
22:48:31 <Arkhmud> If something important is written in there, we may need admin privileges.
22:48:59 <Kiriko> yea it uses HKLM
22:49:17 <Kiriko> i included a regshot with the folder
22:51:29 <Arkhmud> Does it work if you delete that key from the registry (HKLM\Software\synfigstudio)?
22:52:09 <Kiriko> let me check
22:57:01 <Kiriko> yea its workin without HKLM\Software\synfigstudio
22:58:27 <Arkhmud> Good. It seems to store no useful information in there, so just backup it like the others.
22:58:56 <Kiriko> ok
22:59:29 <Arkhmud> Now the [FIleWrite]s:
23:00:20 <Arkhmud> 5. Change %PAL:DataDir%\settings\Synfig\settings to %PAL:DataDir%\Synfig\settings
23:00:56 <Arkhmud> 6. In [FileWrite4], I believe the file is named fonts.conf, not fontsfonts.conf
23:02:11 <Kiriko> i hate being dyslexic :(
23:02:55 <Arkhmud> 7. Also in [FileWrite4], even though it works now, I believe using a "XML text" write you be more resilient to changes. It's your choice, through.
23:04:04 <Kiriko> its normal txt that it uses
23:04:28 <Arkhmud> 8. In [FilesMove], change settings\syngfig_modules.cfg to just syngfig_modules.cfg.
23:05:19 <Kiriko> done
23:05:34 <Arkhmud> No, it's XML. BTW, it's fonts\fonts.conf. You've just missed the backslash. Sorry.
23:05:52 <Kiriko> oh thats fine
23:07:57 <Arkhmud> One last thing: check if %LOCALAPPDATA%\VirtualStore\Program Files\Synfig is still being created. It may be related to the HKLM\Software\SynfigStudio stuff.
23:08:52 <Kiriko> the program dose creat that directory but it dose not save anything in there dont know why
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23:09:58 <Arkhmud> hey JohnTHaller!
23:10:01 <JohnTHaller> hola
23:11:05 <Kiriko> how is it going John?
23:11:44 <JohnTHaller> Not bad. Caught up on apps. Everything now supports auto. Working on platform updates and getting our last 2 publishers to update their app installers.
23:12:18 <Kiriko> cool! :)
23:12:55 <JohnTHaller> Took a while to whittle this down: http://portableapps.com/node/28606
23:14:05 <Arkhmud> "TeamViewer (Publisher)"
23:14:31 <JohnTHaller> The publisher packages it and has been made aware it is out of date.
23:14:37 <Arkhmud> Also "Last updated: 2012-06-02"
23:15:02 <Arkhmud> I meant it should be "TeamViewer (Publisher informed)", like the one above it.
23:15:23 <JohnTHaller> It's been a while since I notified them, so I wanted to do it again. And have a package ready.
23:15:30 <JohnTHaller> 2X is working on it now.
23:15:36 <JohnTHaller> TeamViewer needs an updated launcher, too
23:17:03 <Kiriko> Arkhmud: brb have to go to the store
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23:17:09 <Arkhmud> fine
23:17:22 <JohnTHaller> Updated the page with the info so it's all in one place
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23:38:42 <Arkhmud> JohnTHaller: Does the Portable Fonts feature works with OpenType fonts?
23:40:43 <JohnTHaller> yuo: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#fonts
23:40:45 <JohnTHaller> yup
23:41:52 <Kiriko> Arkhmud: I just check to make sure that Synfig Studio uses the regestry and it did not any entrys so i will delete it from the launcher
23:42:11 <Kiriko> did not make any entry***
23:42:37 <Arkhmud> Alright.
23:48:00 <Arkhmud> OT: How does this looks? http://p.kalug.net/8b
23:48:44 <JohnTHaller> What did you have against the last one I did? Also, nix 'starting up...', the world ain't all English-speaking there chap.
23:52:33 <Arkhmud> It's for another launcher, which needs two splash screens. The PAF package will still use the one you sent me.
23:53:06 <Arkhmud> Actually, I was working on this yesterday. That's why I've asked you about the "powered by PA.c" thing.
23:53:07 <JohnTHaller> 2?
23:53:30 <Arkhmud> If this one is "starting up...", the other is...
23:53:34 <JohnTHaller> Does it need em to show that it is starting up or cleaning up?
23:54:05 <JohnTHaller> I'd suggest the 'banner' NSIS plugin for that type of thing. I use it in the PA.c Updater to indicate when we're downloading stuff.
23:55:29 <Arkhmud> It's a "packed" launcher. The app is packaged within the launcher, and the user's data files in an 7-Zip archive.
23:55:45 <Arkhmud> So it takes a while to start/close.
23:55:46 <JohnTHaller> Eeek. Never a fan of those. So much slower.
23:55:51 <JohnTHaller> Why bother?
23:56:22 <JohnTHaller> U3 had originally planned to do that with all their apps, it was written into their spec. That lasted about 5 minutes.
23:57:06 <Kiriko> Arkhmud: here is what i have for the laucher with all that you had me do ^_^ http://p.kalug.net/7i
23:58:20 <Arkhmud> I've wrote that kind launcher right in the beginning of the project. My mom's flash drive was so slow... and I don't see a reason to remove it. Furthermore, I have at least one other user using it.
23:58:52 <JohnTHaller> Doesn't that add a lot of cruft to the launcher that needs upkeep?
23:59:02 <JohnTHaller> And I thought Chromium Portable used PAL