IRC Log from 2012-06-28
00:00:10 <Arkhmud> As I've said before, it's a different launcher. The launcher prebuilt into the PAF uses PAL.
00:00:22 <JohnTHaller> Oh ok. Sorry, I missed that bit.
00:00:43 <JohnTHaller> So you're maintaining a second launcher just for one user?
00:02:08 <Arkhmud> Nope. I use it too daily. It's on my desktop. Don't ask why I do it; I also don't know.
00:02:21 <Kiriko> lol
00:02:48 <Arkhmud> Kiriko: Are you sure you've sent me the right file?
00:03:38 <Kiriko> yea
00:07:15 <Arkhmud> Where does the settings file comes from? %USERPROFILE% or %APPDATA%?
00:07:24 <Arkhmud> %LOCALAPPDATA%?
00:08:11 <Arkhmud> Back to the splash screen: I just wanted to know if it looks nice.
00:08:30 <JohnTHaller> Yea, it works :)
00:10:22 <Arkhmud> Great. I think it's a lot lighter than the previous one.
00:10:53 <Arkhmud> I should add an "Inspired by PortableApps.com splash screens" somewhere :)
00:11:06 <JohnTHaller> heh
00:18:16 <Kiriko> Arkhmud: ok i removed the directory move section to see where it would send the folder after closing the app and only found it to create this folder (C:\Users\Kiriko\Synfig)
00:20:59 <Kiriko> with that one empty folder in "VirtualStore"
00:29:11 <Arkhmud> Kiriko: try this: http://p.kalug.net/5u
00:31:19 <Arkhmud> Cool. Has been using Chrome Portable's Portable Passwords all this time and didn't know it.
00:36:54 <Kiriko> Arkhmud: that works like a charm!
00:37:03 <Kiriko> Thank You!! ^_^
00:37:11 <Arkhmud> You're welcome.
00:37:28 <Kiriko> ill be posting this on PA.c soon
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00:59:27 <km86> Does anyone know if there's a way to resize the launcher? I'm using a netbook
01:00:29 <JohnTHaller> There isn't, km86. It's only 573px high, so it should fit on an 800x600 screen with the taskbar set to autohide.
01:00:58 <JohnTHaller> (you can also hide/show the menu with CTRL-ALT-Space so you don't have to go to the taskbar)
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01:06:42 <km86> Thank you
01:06:53 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome, km86
01:07:40 <JohnTHaller> We may debut a netbook friendly theme at some point in the near future as well for folks who don't want to use autohide
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01:14:23 <Kiriko> that would be cool, cause i only use a netbook for the time bein
01:15:10 <JohnTHaller> Essentially we'll lop off the top of the platform, stick a smaller logo on, and disable the personal picture
01:15:41 <kAlug> You could also remove some space from the app list.
01:16:08 <Kiriko> ill be onest, that platform works on my netbook just as it dose on any other computer
01:16:11 <JohnTHaller> I don't think I'll worry about shifting all that and making it dyanmic to save a few pixels.
01:17:09 <Kiriko> since i use my taskbar in small mode the platform fits just fine
01:17:39 <kAlug> There's no need to make ir dynamic. The list itself is scrollable, and there's lots of free space on the right.
01:17:58 <JohnTHaller> I mean dyanically removing some items from it.
01:18:31 <kAlug> Ah.
01:18:38 <JohnTHaller> That's not a single widget doing that app list. It's 106 including the scrollbar and scroll buttons.
01:18:58 <Kiriko> wow that's a lot!!
01:19:31 <JohnTHaller> Only way to get it working the way we want and make it themable
01:19:51 <kAlug> Now I noticed a problem: a ghost scrollbar!
01:20:05 <JohnTHaller> At the moment, I really don't care :-P
01:20:48 <kAlug> No problem; it's barely noticeable (indeed, i was staring at the Platform when I noticed it).
01:21:34 <JohnTHaller> What happened?
01:23:09 <kAlug> Nothing... I just realized it was something else...
01:24:02 <kAlug> http://p.kalug.net/data/images/7/7a.png
01:24:44 <kAlug> It looks perfectly placed.
01:25:03 <JohnTHaller> oh heh, I see
01:26:01 <kAlug> For some seconds, I thought the scrollbar was from the Platform.
01:28:17 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Have you seen this? http://portableapps.com/node/32091#comment-195840
01:30:39 <JohnTHaller> Think it's revision worthy?
01:34:55 <kAlug> I don't think so. It's a somewhat advanced app anyway. Just put it in your TODO list.
01:35:26 <JohnTHaller> It is :) I have a list of outstanding stuff pinned in with each app as necessary
01:35:57 <JohnTHaller> Oh, on a related note. When an app has only one of PortugueseBR or Portuguese... you think it's a good idea to use it for both platform-app-switching wise?
01:35:59 <kAlug> Cool. How do you do that.
01:36:00 <kAlug> ?
01:36:32 <JohnTHaller> Oh, just locally, all in folders for each app. I keep records of every release of every app with notes and bugs and things.
01:37:14 <kAlug> It should take a lot of space...
01:38:12 <keyzs> i need a portable anti mosquito reppeler :)
01:38:12 <JohnTHaller> Less than 1TB
01:38:54 <JohnTHaller> So, kAlug, what do you think of P vs P-BR in terms of language switching? I know at least one app only had P-BR in it, so I set it to use it for both P and P-BR from the platform.
01:38:56 <kAlug> WRT the language, it depends. More technical users may know that File = Arquivo = Ficheiro and Screen = Tela = Ecrã. Simple users, OTOH...
01:39:27 <JohnTHaller> I've been wondering the same for Spanish vs SpanishInternational.
01:39:30 <keyzs> JohnTHaller love your portable apps
01:39:45 <JohnTHaller> OTOH, it's a choice between giving a Portuguese user PortugueseBR or English.
01:39:48 <JohnTHaller> Thanks keyzs :)
01:40:34 <kAlug> On a interesting note, for Google Portuguese means PortugueseBR; maybe they somehow know where I do live and select the right variant automagically...
01:40:55 <keyzs> if you could make one portable anti mosquito repeller would save my day
01:40:58 <JohnTHaller> I'd wager they do. They do a lot of stuff based on geo-ip
01:41:23 <JohnTHaller> I could make an app with a picture of a mosquito with a circle and a line through it :)
01:41:44 <keyzs> i have serious doubts on these ones on the net
01:42:00 <keyzs> that do a audio pitch
01:42:20 <JohnTHaller> I'm pretty sure you can't repell a mosquito with sound.
01:42:46 <keyzs> so why do they make so many iphone apps lol
01:42:58 <kAlug> Money.
01:42:59 <JohnTHaller> Well, there's a solar powered Android app... it's done as a joke.
01:43:23 <kAlug> Joke with ads, I suppose.
01:43:26 <keyzs> they win money on the free ones?
01:43:37 <JohnTHaller> They do ads and such.
01:43:45 <keyzs> hmmm
01:44:43 <JohnTHaller> Ok, KiTTY Portable is built and ready to go as this week's new app.
01:44:58 <keyzs> portuguese and portugueseBR are totally diferent
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01:45:04 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:45:19 <keyzs> i use pchat
01:45:47 <JohnTHaller> keyzs: They are. But is it better to present a portuguese speaker with portugueseBR or English is the question. Same with Spanish vs SpanishInternational.
01:46:35 <keyzs> sir how do you do those software translations
01:46:41 <keyzs> is it by users?
01:47:28 <JohnTHaller> It varies. Most are by the publishers and their paid translators (some) or volunteer translators (more). For our own apps, we have LOTS of volunteers: http://portableapps.com/about/team
01:47:28 <ZachThibeau> usually by user submission
01:48:01 <keyzs> i need to do translations for this project www.thevenusproject.com so i asked
01:49:05 <JohnTHaller> When you do stuff for free/non-profit, especially under an open license, you can often get people to volunteer
01:49:07 <kAlug> keyzs: Are you from TPFC?
01:49:20 <keyzs> whats that?
01:49:43 <ZachThibeau> Portable Freeware Collection site
01:50:06 <keyzs> no
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01:50:45 <keyzs> but i like that site a lot too
01:52:40 <kAlug> I'm sure I've already saw that site in someone's signature.
01:52:41 <keyzs> JohnTHaller wich payed translators you find the best?
01:52:43 <JohnTHaller> I took a break from TPFC last Fri. May pop back in eventually.
01:53:54 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: In the PAL 2.2 blockers, you mention "Manual references a few unimplemented things like PAL:DrivePath and PAL:LastDrivePath". It seems to be another packaging error.
01:53:54 <kAlug> "
01:54:18 <JohnTHaller> Meaning they are implemented and not working... or that shouldn't be in the manual?
01:55:05 <JohnTHaller> I haven't used any paid translation services myself
01:55:29 <ZachThibeau> neither have I
01:55:44 <kAlug> It's not on the manual sources for my checkout. I suppose Chris didn't rebuild the included manual for 3.0. Can you check if 3.0 is mentioned in the Releases?
01:56:09 <ZachThibeau> eventually PChat will need brand new translations since 2.0 is going to be a complete rewrite and will be using new translation strings
01:56:34 <JohnTHaller> kAlug: Check what for 3.0?
01:56:46 <JohnTHaller> I have access to the same things you do.
01:57:16 <kAlug> The manual included in 2.2 RC2. The releases notes in it.
01:57:50 <JohnTHaller> I haven't looked at the bundled one. Assumed it was the same as the one he links from the topic. http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/releases/2.2/
01:58:22 <kAlug> Oh no. That's always built from the tip (i.e. currently 3.0).
01:59:25 <kAlug> So it's all right. Now I just need to make sure the graphics work fine in the Manual.
02:05:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok cool. The new ones you mean?
02:05:39 <JohnTHaller> The new graphics are the exact dimensions of the old ones from the help file's graphics. And I think the PAL manual uses them unaltered as well.
02:08:12 <JohnTHaller> they seem to work well
02:08:49 <kAlug> Well, let's find it out.
02:09:46 <JohnTHaller> I plugged em into the manual in 2.2rc2. works fine
02:12:16 <kAlug> I see. Just pushed it to the main repo.
02:12:51 <kAlug> So, I think PAL 2.2 is ready.
02:13:55 <JohnTHaller> Did you figure out "Headers are blank during generation of the launcher when launched from the command line"
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02:17:50 <kAlug> Yep. Just had to move one line.
02:17:56 <JohnTHaller> cool
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02:30:12 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Do you know something about how USB Sudoku works?
02:30:52 <kAlug> I need help with some strings to translate.
02:31:17 <JohnTHaller> Alright, I am off to grab a bite.
02:31:24 <JohnTHaller> Everything we know about it is contained within it
02:32:11 <kAlug> Hm. Let me play a bit more with it then.
02:33:47 <kAlug> I read it needs a new dev?
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02:45:08 <ZachThibeau> night all
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03:18:47 <kAlug> hi GordCaswell
03:19:01 <GordCaswell> hi kAlug
03:20:48 <kAlug> How are you Gord?
03:22:19 <GordCaswell> not too bad. looking forward to clearing up most of the bugs remaining on the bug tracker
03:22:22 <GordCaswell> you?
03:23:27 <kAlug> Waiting for something important to happen (so am I an event-based system?). Watching X-Files in the meantime.
03:24:05 <GordCaswell> haha. Nice. I haven't watched X-files in ages
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04:04:48 <JohnTHaller> kAlug: Yes, USB Sudoku needs a new dev (was abandoned a while back).
04:04:56 <JohnTHaller> I am off to bed. Exhausted. Gnight all.
04:05:18 <kAlug> Good night. And morning. And whatever comes next.
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04:37:08 <GizmoBot> ...
04:37:51 <kAlug> wb ZachThibeau
04:37:59 <ZachThibeau> ty
04:38:07 <ZachThibeau> couldn't sleep properly
04:38:56 <ZachThibeau> been thinking of starting my own studio setup but for programing
04:39:42 <kAlug> Studio? Like an artist's studio?
04:40:02 * ZachThibeau points to what he said before
04:40:09 <ZachThibeau> but for programing is they key word
04:40:38 <kAlug> Sorry. Intertranslation issue.
04:40:52 <ZachThibeau> kind of thinking of names for my little project
04:41:42 <ZachThibeau> also setting a budget to obtain some extra computers like a customer pc for hackintosh (sad I can build a hackintosh pc more easlily and more affordable than a real mac)
04:41:48 <ZachThibeau> **custom
04:44:10 <ZachThibeau> but this new little startup idea will be housing all my projects under one name
04:53:06 <ZachThibeau> a name that's been sticking in my mind is eliastech but eh still thinking of others that actually has meaning
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07:24:11 <Kiriko> well im off to bed now latter guys
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12:47:33 <pa_7280> hello
12:47:58 <pa_7280> i wanted to aks is there any way to install the Platform Client in silent mode?
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21:41:20 <Kiriko> hey Arkhmud!
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22:17:54 <ElderP> good evening folks
22:19:59 <ElderP> question: if PortableApps.comLauncherGenerator.exe or the installer gets an error, will it return a non-zero return code? I am calling it from a python script and it appears it is always returning a 0
22:30:48 <Arkhmud> ElderP: gimme a second.
22:34:59 <Arkhmud> ElderP: Yeah, it seems you're right.
22:35:32 <Arkhmud> I'd suggest checking if the output file is present. IIRC, it's deleted before trying to do anything.
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