IRC Log from 2012-07-31
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00:04:08 <jm2> i have DisableSplashScreen=True in my FirefoxPortable.ini, but the splash screen still shows up
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00:04:32 <jm2> any idea why that might be happening?
00:05:03 <jm2> i have FirefoxPortable.ini in the same dir as the launcher
00:10:14 <gluxon> jm2: Hm.. then it should be working.
00:10:40 <jm2> it's funny, i have the legacy 3.6.28 version and the 14.0.1 version running side by side with the same ini
00:10:48 <jm2> the splash screen doesn't show for 14.0.1 but it does for 3.6.28
00:11:08 <gluxon> It's probably an issue in the launcher with 3.6.28
00:11:32 <gluxon> Can you describe your setup in more detail? It's just two Firefox copies (FirefoxPortable and FirefoxPortableLegacy) side-by-side, right?
00:11:47 <jm2> yes, in two separate folders with two separate .ini's
00:12:32 <gluxon> jm2: Okay, give me a sec to download 3.6.28 and check it out.
00:12:41 <jm2> also, i have allowmultipleinstances set to true in both ini's, but for some reason, i have to launch firefox 3.6.28 first - it fails to launch if 14.0.1 is launched frist
00:12:43 <jm2> first*
00:13:32 <gluxon> 3.6.28 probably has an outdated launcher.
00:13:47 <gluxon> I can't remember the last time 3.6.28 was updated anyway.
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00:13:55 <gluxon> Updated portably of course.
00:14:05 <jm2> i can't simply use the launcher exe from 14.0.1 in my 3.6.28 dir can i?
00:14:42 <AluisioASG> **Maybe**.
00:15:02 <gluxon> jm2: Actually, you should be able to.
00:15:04 <gluxon> Try it.
00:15:42 <jm2> it seems to launch okay, but it still displays a splash screen (the updated one)
00:15:50 <jm2> maybe there's something wrong with my ini, although i can't tell what
00:16:18 <AluisioASG> Try lowercasing True.
00:16:28 <gluxon> Have you tried copying the working INI?
00:16:35 <gluxon> AluisioASG: It's not case-senseitive.
00:17:12 <AluisioASG> I know it shouldn't be.
00:17:19 <jm2> it was lowercase already
00:17:25 <gluxon> jm2: I think it's the INI file.
00:17:31 <gluxon> I just downloaded a fresh copy of 3.6.28
00:17:40 <gluxon> Disabling the SplashScreen worked.
00:18:04 <AluisioASG> jm2: Did you create the INI yourself, or copied the example INI?
00:18:16 <jm2> the sample ini was mostly blank, so i copied the line from something i found online
00:18:26 <jm2> the splash screen line is: DisableSplashScreen=true
00:18:36 <AluisioASG> So you created a new file.
00:18:58 <jm2> i copied the example ini and then added a line
00:19:06 <jm2> well, a few lines
00:19:20 <AluisioASG> Ah, ok.
00:19:39 <AluisioASG> Is it the first line?
00:19:44 <jm2> no
00:19:48 <gluxon> Ah.
00:19:53 <gluxon> jm2: You also need an INI header.
00:20:05 <AluisioASG> It's not what I thought it could be, then.
00:20:08 <jm2> also, i noticed that for 14.0.1, the splash screen only doesn't display if it's run second
00:20:29 <AluisioASG> gluxon: Is 3.6.28 so old?
00:20:33 <jm2> if 14.0.1's launched while 3.6.28 is not running, the splash screen shows for it as well
00:20:49 <jm2> gluxon: what would an ini header look like?
00:20:51 <gluxon> AluisioASG: 3.6.28 shouldn't be recommended for use.
00:20:58 <gluxon> [FirefoxPortable]
00:21:05 <gluxon> You need that at the top of the INI file.
00:21:10 <jm2> ah, mine reads [FirefoxPortableSettings]
00:21:12 <gluxon> For DisableSplashScreen=true to be evaluated.
00:21:17 <gluxon> jm2: Ah, fix that :)
00:21:32 <jm2> yep, oops!
00:21:39 <jm2> fixed it, thank you
00:21:43 <gluxon> Great :)
00:21:44 <jm2> i'm pretty sure that header was in the settings folder
00:21:45 <AluisioASG> You copied the wrong INI file, then.
00:21:57 <AluisioASG> Exact.
00:22:07 <jm2> oh, that's not the ini i should have copied?
00:22:19 <jm2> what is that one for?
00:22:20 <AluisioASG> Other\Source\AppNamePortable.ini
00:22:23 <gluxon> AluisioASG: 3.6.28 is no longer supported by Mozilla. It has security bugs and exploits that will not be updated.
00:22:39 <gluxon> So 3.6.28 should really only be used for testing.
00:22:52 <AluisioASG> jm2: The one in settings is for storing data internal to the launcher.
00:23:41 <gluxon> jm2: [FirefoxPortableSettings] is the configuration file for FirefoxPortable.
00:23:42 <AluisioASG> gluxon: I meant, most of our current releases use ConfigWrite instead of ReadINIStr, so they don't need a header.
00:23:46 <gluxon> That shouldn't be touched at all.
00:24:18 <jm2> i think i added some lines to it before i realized that the ini file is supposed to be in the same folder as the luancher
00:24:20 <jm2> launcher*
00:24:31 <gluxon> Right. The file you wanted was in Other\Source :)
00:24:43 <AluisioASG> I don't think that will be an issue.
00:24:50 <jm2> is it safe to delete everything other than the LastProfileDirectory line in the /settings ini?
00:25:02 <jm2> they're just lines I added
00:25:10 <AluisioASG> In this case, yes.
00:25:15 <gluxon> If you added the lines, you should be able to.
00:25:20 <AluisioASG> But there is no harm in keeping them there.
00:25:22 <gluxon> Be able to safely remove them, that is.
00:26:15 <AluisioASG> Kiriko: You there?
00:26:59 <gluxon> AluisioASG: I'm assuming you're kAlug?
00:27:35 <AluisioASG> yep. Sort of (re)consolidating my online brand.
00:28:10 <gluxon> Awesome :)
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00:29:01 <AluisioASG> hm. Let me check something.
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00:31:50 <AluisioASG> GizmoBot: .def AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.
00:32:07 <gluxon|gone> Ah.
00:32:12 <gluxon|gone> You see, I'm still banned from .def
00:32:25 <gluxon|gone> For something that wasn't my fault, from like, 4 years ago :P
00:32:25 <AluisioASG> why so?
00:33:05 <gluxon|gone> GizmoBot didn't have restrictions on who could set .def for who back then. Someone changed my .def to something inappropriate and Gizmokid still doesn't believe that wasn't me :P
00:33:59 <jm2> does AllowMultipleInstances in FirefoxPortable.ini do exactly the same thing as the no-remote command line option?
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00:36:54 <AluisioASG> GizmoBot: .help def
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00:37:10 <AluisioASG> Thank you, GizmoBot!
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01:09:57 <Kiriko> AluisioASG: hey sorry for earlyer i had to do some last minute things
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06:43:26 <Bry8Star> Hi PortableApps.com site maintainer(s), a very important suggestion/idea for improvement. Please include hash code (md5/sha1/sha256) next to [download] button/link, so that when users/we download files off the 3rd party websites, then we will still be able to verify those binary files against the hash code found on main PortableApps.com website, to verify, that, files r not modified in the middle somewhere, Thanks.
06:46:40 <Bry8Star> And if the hash codes r on a SSL page on PortableApps.com site, then that is even more better.
06:48:40 <Bry8Star> If some1 gets/see the has code of a binary file on the main website, then even if the binary files are downloaded off of a 3rd party webserver, users will still have a way/chance verify the binary uses simple tool like: HashTab: a free, small utility-softwr.
06:48:55 <Bry8Star> * some1 gets/see the hash code
06:49:31 <Bry8Star> * verify the binary using simple
06:51:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The hash codes are already in the details section (e.g. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable#download_details ).
06:51:31 <Bry8Star> Many many webpages now always has Hash codes (md5, sha1, sha256, etc) next to link of binary download file on their main website, and many of them then forward users to 3rd party sites. But having Hash code on the site who released it is very important.
06:54:16 <Bry8Star> Thanks, TPFC-SYSTEM. Sorry to request to include Hash code, whereas it was already shown on the main downloading page, and on the site who released it. And very easily viewable as well.
06:56:08 <Bry8Star> I was in Mozilla's irc channel, and requesting them to include hash code of binary files on their main website (mozilla.org), as all files r delivered off some 3rd party websites.
06:56:22 <Bry8Star> ... But they seems to not get it.
06:58:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think Mozilla mainly targets inexperienced users (= n00bs :D ) who would only become more confused if hashes were shown.
06:58:52 <Bry8Star> They keep on insisting gpg even for windows, and no links next to the binary as well :(☹ gpg/pgp is not common on windows stuff, but Hash verification is common.
06:59:15 <Bry8Star> so at least, next to windows binary they should display Hash codes.
07:00:24 <Bry8Star> That is not a right way to treat noobs. In my humble opinion. Noobs need to be treated & trined so that they dont fall into victim of middle-mans exploitations.
07:01:05 <Bry8Star> * trained (by using simple article to explain how to use HashTab type softwr to verify has codes)
07:01:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Agreed. I actually think GPG is uncommon on other platforms as well (I'm on GNU/Linux right now).
07:01:56 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I bet there are more Windows users who use hash verification than people (regardless of platform) who use GPG verification.
07:02:32 <Bry8Star> No doubt, it must have to be, winodws has very large user base.
07:03:34 <Bry8Star> Plus, when ever a binary is delivered off of a 3rd party site, it is releaser's responsibility to inlcude hash, so that there is no chance of modification by some 3rd party.
07:03:41 <Bry8Star> ... It is common sense.
07:03:55 <Bry8Star> Instead of doing their responsibility, they talks about noobs.. Ha ha.
07:05:34 <Bry8Star> The sites which doesnt include hash codes, and delivers their files off a 3rd party hosting or whatever (download/ranking) sites, are mostly infected with various stuff.
07:07:56 <Bry8Star> Anyway, good conversation. Whichever is best for all, and (almost) no chance for exploitation/abuse, that step need to be implemented, thats what we want.
07:08:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I agree.
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