IRC Log from 2012-08-18
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00:59:49 <GizmoBot> AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.
01:00:13 <AluisioASG> ty GizmoBot
01:00:14 <GizmoBot> Yw AluisioASG!
01:05:49 <gluxon> Heh, I never knew GizmoBot could do that :P
01:09:33 <DJRWolf> I'm guessing GizoBot is a automated program that does administrative functions in the channel?
01:10:54 <gluxon> DJRWolf: That's about right.
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01:25:39 <AluisioASG> hey GordCaswell!
01:26:00 <GordCaswell> hey AluisioASG
01:26:28 <gluxon> Hey GordCaswell :)
01:28:18 <GordCaswell> hey gluxon
01:29:41 <AluisioASG> Hey Gord, I was thinking on making a PAL repository clone on Bitbucket. What do you think?
01:31:20 <gluxon> AluisioASG: Have you ever tried github.com? How does it compare to Bitbucket?
01:32:44 <AluisioASG> 1. I do have an account on GitHub, but I don't actually use any of my accounts on both sites in order to compare them. 2. GitHub is Git-only. Our repos are all Mercurial-based.
01:33:20 <gluxon> Okay, how does git compare to mercurial? :D
01:33:56 <GordCaswell> AluisioASG, Sounds good to me. Would you make it as a team repo?
01:34:28 <GordCaswell> gluxon: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Git_vs_Mercurial
01:34:49 <gluxon> I still think the PortableApps.com Launcher shouldn't be written in NSIS.
01:35:15 <AluisioASG> gluxon: Can you propose a better language?
01:35:49 <AluisioASG> (And yes, we've already thought of it; a few months ago, though).
01:36:14 <gluxon> Just not NSIS. There's a lot of stuff we're doing in the Launcher that could be implemented much better in another language.
01:36:35 <gluxon> C++ for one.
01:36:48 <gluxon> Also, I have a question for a PAL designer.
01:37:00 <gluxon> Why doesn't PAL follow the INI in an order?
01:37:02 <AluisioASG> msvcrt. That thing doesn't ship with Windows 2000.
01:37:17 <gluxon> AluisioASG: MFC
01:37:40 <AluisioASG> Can we do a static build?
01:38:05 <AluisioASG> The order is determined in PAL's source code.
01:38:30 <gluxon> Yeah.
01:38:49 <gluxon> I have a bias for C++ and MinGW (which can compile MFC statically)
01:39:08 <gluxon> I haven't touched NSIS for one or two years now.
01:39:44 <gluxon> AluisioASG: Right. Why can't the programmer determine the order PAL should execute jobs? (ex: FileWrite, FilesMove)
01:40:06 <gluxon> I'm assuming the answer is limitations in NSIS?
01:41:38 <AluisioASG> Nope. It's just (AFAICT) because it has been designed that way. Chris would be able to answer better, but I haven't seen him around for quite some time now.
01:43:53 <gluxon> Is there a real desire to swap languages in PAL though?
01:44:05 <gluxon> I would strongly support it, but I"m not working on PAL.
01:44:15 <gluxon> (at the moment)
01:44:40 <GordCaswell> AluisioASG, RE: the environmental substitution patch i made: I think I made it against 2.2, not tip.
01:44:43 <AluisioASG> PAL's development is basically stalled.
01:48:05 <GordCaswell> Is there a reason for that?
01:52:21 <AluisioASG> We're waiting for PAL 3.0, I believe.
01:52:24 <AluisioASG> Hold on, I'll switch my network connection. BRB.
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02:21:25 <GizmoBot> AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.
02:22:50 <GordCaswell> welcome back AluisioASG
02:23:15 <AluisioASG> ty GordCaswell
02:23:20 <GordCaswell> yw
02:45:32 <AluisioASG> gluxon: What do you think of switching PAL to Lua?
02:48:38 <gluxon> AluisioASG: I've never tried Lua.
02:49:40 <gluxon> I'd have to disagree though, since it doesn't seem to have a very polished OOP -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29#Object-oriented_programming
02:49:43 <AluisioASG> I've realized that the problem with a compilable language is that we'll need to ship a compiler with it.
02:50:12 <gluxon> A compiler for the INI?
02:50:30 <AluisioASG> Custom code.
02:50:49 <gluxon> AluisioASG: Once I made the switch to OOP, I've wanted to literally turn all my code into Classes.
02:50:49 <AluisioASG> And I don't think we need OOP.
02:51:06 <AluisioASG> I see you don't program in JavaScript.
02:51:14 <gluxon> OOP isn't something you need. It's boosted organization.
02:51:43 * gluxon does not program in JavaScript
02:51:53 <gluxon> I want to though. Never found a big purpose though.
02:52:08 <gluxon> I always try to smudge my way through with some CSS magic in the end.
02:55:24 <gluxon> AluisioASG: What are you thinking of swapping to now?
02:57:44 <AluisioASG> What do you mean?
02:58:40 <gluxon> Programming languages for PAL.
03:01:43 <AluisioASG> Oh. Just a thought for now. I currently don't have time for such a work.
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08:49:36 <CruelC> 0hai
08:50:04 <CruelC> Windows 8 is suckage
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16:06:33 <[holygamer]> I have joined and created a post. Someone replied to that post and I got an email notification. I clicked on it to see the post.
16:07:08 <[holygamer]> Now I try to login today and it says my details are not recognized. I changed my password using the pass reset but it still says my details aren't recognized!
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16:14:18 <holygamer> Can someone help me? I have joined and created a post. Someone replied to that post and I got an email notification. I clicked on it to see the post. Now I try to login today and it says my details are not recognized. I changed my password using the pass reset but it still says my details aren't recognized when I logout then login again.
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16:18:09 <holygamer> Can someone help me? I have joined and created a post. Someone replied to that post and I got an email notification. I clicked on it to see the post. Now I try to login today and it says my details are not recognized. I changed my password using the pass reset but it still says my details aren't recognized when I logout then login again.
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16:36:20 <holygamer> You don't have email support so that's why I'm doing a live chat.
16:41:43 <holygamer> "help!"
16:42:14 <holygamer> help!
16:42:14 <GizmoBot> holygamer: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
16:42:35 <holygamer> Can someone help me? I have joined and created a post. Someone replied to that post and I got an email notification. I clicked on it to see the post. Now I try to login today and it says my details are not recognized. I changed my password using the pass reset but it still says my details aren't recognized when I logout then login again.
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17:59:54 <jm2> i think there may be a problem with the portable apps installers and launchers
18:00:34 <jm2> they prohibit installations to "C:\Program Files" and, in some cases, launching apps stored in "C:\Program Files"
18:01:10 <jm2> i don't know why that restriction is in place, but that is obviously by design
18:01:56 <jm2> however, the installers and some launchers detect folders beginning with "C:\Program Files " as being "C:\Program Files"
18:04:51 <jm2> i assume the developers don't care what you name your apps or where you store them (other than for some reason preventing you from installing to C:\Program Files) so i guess this is a bug
18:05:06 <jm2> what you name your folders*
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18:16:05 <Gizmokid2005> jm2: we don't prohibit installation to Program Files
18:16:10 <Gizmokid2005> that's a windows permission, not an installer.
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18:20:59 <jm2> Gizmokid2005: oh, okay, i've never tried installing to Program Files
18:21:30 <Gizmokid2005> jm2: Yep, it's definitely not an installer setup, it's a machine setup. I'm willing to bet if you tried you could make no changes to Program files.
18:21:38 <jm2> when i install to Program Files (Portable), i get an error message that Program Files is a prohibited directory
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18:21:54 <Gizmokid2005> yes, because we recognize the lack of permissions to prompt that error.
18:22:20 <jm2> I can create directories in Program Files
18:22:38 <jm2> and delete them with a UAC privilege escalation or whatever
18:23:19 <Gizmokid2005> Right, then you need to run the installers with elevated privileges.
18:23:42 <jm2> also, i have full access to C:\Program Files Portable, so the installer must be messed up when it tells me that C:\Program Files is a prohibited directory - that is an irrelevant error message
18:24:07 <jm2> Gizmokid2005: even if i did that, for some launchers, launching the app fails if the app is stored in C:\Program Files Portable
18:24:14 <Gizmokid2005> jm2: if you're not going to install to Program files, you should just install to C:\PortableApps
18:24:27 <jm2> Gizmokid2005: sorry, i haven't been clear
18:24:59 <jm2> i install to a directory called "C:\ Program Files Portable". The installer and some launchers detect this directory as "C:\Program Files"
18:25:53 <jm2> the installer should dtreat "C:\Program Files Portable" just as i treats "C:\PortableApps"
18:26:44 <jm2> so should the launcher
18:26:53 <jm2> launchers*
18:26:57 <jm2> does that make sense?
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19:20:24 <rewallac> can anyone help me install a program that is not design as portable on PortableApps??
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19:50:56 <GizmoBot> AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.
19:52:11 <AluisioASG> jm2: That's a known bug.
19:53:41 <AluisioASG> Gizmokid2005: We *do* prohibit installs to Program Files. We don't care if the user has rights to do that.
20:01:27 <jm2> AluisioASG: is there any workaround for launchers that don't allow launching from dirs in C:\ that start with "Program Files" ?
20:02:14 <AluisioASG> jm2: Yes. I'll PM you with the details.
20:28:17 <jm2> many thanks
20:29:13 <AluisioASG> You're welcome.
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21:31:33 <pa_5339> Hello Every One ;-)
21:31:37 <pa_5339> I'm installing the platforme right now and the process is freesing since 15 min.
21:31:52 <pa_5339> Should I reset every thuing or wait a little bit?
21:32:14 <pa_5339> Thanks in advance for your help ^_^
21:33:20 <AluisioASG> pa_5339: It shouldn't take that long. 1 minute is already too much.
21:34:29 <pa_5339> Really so I have to start over ?
21:36:56 <pa_5339> Something is obviously wrong. I'll reset it.
21:37:58 <pa_5339> Thanks for your prompt reply Aluisio ;-) Bisous
21:38:50 <AluisioASG> You're welcome.
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