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03:38:01 <GizmoBot> vf2nsr Developer for PortableApps Current apps list is at http://portableapps.com/node/30620
03:38:58 <vf2nsr> If any of our friendly forum moderators sees this can they modify http://portableapps.com/node/34674 to put BUG in front of it?
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07:22:31 <nyannyan> hi
07:24:08 <nyannyan> help!
07:24:08 <GizmoBot> nyannyan: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
07:26:02 <nyannyan> i am at work and i can't open libreoffice because "the other instancy of this proccess already running" but it is not true. can someone help?
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10:26:35 <pie_> If I wanted to change where programs search for the Data directory, what would I have to do?
10:32:14 <pie_> where can I find the source code for the application launchers? :/ im having quite a bit of trouble
10:37:33 <pie_> it would be greatif there was an ini file for specifying paths :/
11:25:22 <pie_> help!
11:25:24 <GizmoBot> pie_: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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12:14:58 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pie_: I think the Launcher is hardcoded to search the Data directory in its own directory.
12:15:17 <TPFC-SYSTEM> PAL source code is at http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/ .
12:16:06 <pie_> yeah, it is, im looking for the source code for the launchers so I can hard code it somewhere else. im not a good coder but if its easy i suppose i can make it get it from an ini file
12:16:44 <pie_> and I dont know delphi so id be gluing stuff together from whatever i can find
12:20:22 <pie_> do you know where I can find the other launchers?
12:22:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you mean with "the other launchers"? PortableApps.com also uses PAL, which is configured with a per-app INI file.
12:22:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> * also -> only
13:00:52 <pie_> well, for example Firefox portable
13:10:06 <pie_> where can I find said ini files?
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13:13:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> App\AppInfo\Launcher\(appname).ini
13:14:06 <mercuureal> hey can anyone give an opinion about portableapps updater? is it slow on your internet connection? Y no P2P for updating or I can even have my "Free Download Manager" done it faster... anyone agree?
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13:29:13 <pie_> TPFC-SYSTEM, so to change the data directory location i would just have to modify the code in the PAL launcher and replace the launcher component(I have no clue how to do that) in the current application launchers?
13:29:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You'd have to modify the code and recompile the launcher.
13:30:55 <pie_> how would I do that?
13:31:06 <pie_> recompile the launcher that is
13:31:29 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know. I'm not a Delphi developer. :(
13:31:35 <pie_> well...I suppose I could figure it out if I could find the source code for the individual launchers but thats what I cant find
13:32:15 <pie_> theres a nasty hack i can do with symlinks but that results in infinite recursion when i try to compress my stuff with 7zip
13:32:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The source code (and the binary) for each launcher is exactly the same. Only the INI files are different.
13:33:55 <pie_> then what about the splash screen /etc? When I try to extract the launcher with 7zip each program has some stuff embedded
13:35:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The splash screen is at App\AppInfo\Launcher\Splash.jpg.
13:37:12 <pie_> firefox portable has no Launcher directory in AppInfo
13:39:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No idea about that. E.g. Chromium Portable ( http://crportable.sourceforge.net/ ) has that directory.
13:40:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm just an user, not a PAL developer. (I already mentioned that I don't know Delphi.)
13:49:36 <pie_> a'ight, well thanks anyway
13:49:56 <pie_> my question still stands for anyone who canhelp
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15:27:26 <GizmoBot> AluisioASG is a PortableApps.com developer and translator, previously known as kAlug.
15:30:07 <AluisioASG> pie_, TPFC-SYSTEM: Most new apps use PAL ( written in NSIS, source code at http://hg.sf.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/ ); some older apps (like the Firefox family) use custom-written launchers (also in NSIS).
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15:33:58 <pie_> oh, hello, theres some good stuff in Other/Source for firefox
15:52:44 <pie_> hmm it seems the data directory isnt necessarily hardcoded, most programs seem to have an optional *program name*Portable.ini file that contains variables for the things contained in the data directory, now i just hope that thats everything and theres nothing thats hardcoded for the Data directory
15:58:15 <AluisioASG> pie_: 1. To which *AppName*Portable.ini you're referring to? 2. It's not going to be that easy. Grep the launcher's source code for 'Data'.
15:59:12 <pie_> thats what i was guessing, the PAL launcher or the individual app launchers(these are the ones im having trouble finding)?
16:01:35 <AluisioASG> For all effects, PAL's source code *is* the launcher's source code.
16:12:19 <pie_> "some older apps (like the Firefox family) use custom-written launchers"
16:15:20 <pie_> the AppNamePortable.ini in the Other/Source dir
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16:16:36 <pie_> when doing the grep should I ignore results from the "Manual" folder?
16:16:59 <AluisioASG> Nope, that's just an example for the user. Read the Readme.txt for details.
16:17:26 <AluisioASG> Yes, ignore the manual; scan only for *.nsh and *.nsi files.
16:18:09 <pie_> right but placing it next to the launcher does seem to do it
16:19:15 <pie_> everything seems to use $DataDirectory unless i missed something
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16:22:01 <pie_> hmm my bad, goind grep -r . 'Data\\' does seem to retturn a few entries
16:22:21 <pie_> is debug.nsh and generatorwisard.nsi of interest?
16:24:29 <AluisioASG> Nope.
16:28:37 <pie_> if so many places use datadir i really dont see why these dont: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QUZwWJk1
16:29:17 <pie_> a few that are DefaultData got mixed in, in this case those arent important either
16:32:41 <AluisioASG> Old code, perhaps?
16:32:52 <AluisioASG> Anyway, I have to go now. Bye.
16:33:08 <pie_> well, thanks very much
16:33:21 <pie_> is it safe to replace with $DataDir?
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16:33:28 <pie_> i have no clue what im doing
16:36:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I suggest that you replace Data with whatever directory name you want and leave DefaultData alone.
16:37:59 <pie_> i never said i wanted to touch defaultdata, its probably fine where it is, my guess is it gets copied to datadir whenever it cant find what its looking for there
16:39:49 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Alright. When you asked "is it safe to replace with $DataDir?", I didn't know what you planned to replace. :)
16:41:56 <pie_> ahh :) my bad
16:43:02 <pie_> i really dont want to hardcode it because it would mean i have to recompile 20 times
16:45:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, not knowing the codebase I don't know what $DataDir means. So I don't know if it is safe to replace. :(
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18:35:21 <Peeter> Hello
18:35:32 <Peeter> Im have a one questions
18:35:55 <Peeter> First, Portable Apps is compatible with Windows 8?
18:36:51 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, it is. :)
18:37:30 <Peeter> mmm, are you shure?
18:38:43 <Peeter> because when running Portable Apps, showed the blue screen
18:38:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes. First, the changelog mentions some fairly trivial Win8-specific issues. They wouldn't be fixing them if the Platform was completely broken.
18:38:57 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.com/platform/changelog
18:39:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "FIXED: Windows 8 shows as "Unknown OS" in About dialog"
18:39:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Second, I run KVIrc Portable on Windows 8 right now. :D
18:39:46 <TPFC-SYSTEM> (I don't use the Platform myself, though.)
18:40:59 <Peeter> ok, and Portable Apps is oopen source?
18:42:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What PortableApps.com has developed (such as the Launcher and the Platform) are open source.
18:42:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Some PA.c apps, however, are not open source.
18:42:31 <Peeter> if to if I am looking for the source code
18:44:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Some of it can be found at http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/ .
18:44:41 <Peeter> thank you
18:45:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I found the Platform source as well: http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Source%20(PortableApps.com%20Plat)/PortableApps.com%20Platform%2011.0/
18:46:52 <Peeter> thank you, , excellent day that passes
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18:48:42 <pie_> I cant find where datadir is defined :/
18:49:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :(
18:50:54 <pie_> StrCpy $DataDirectory $TMP\$AppIDLive\Data
18:50:55 <pie_> hmm
18:51:27 <pie_> it seems portableapps likes to keep files in the temp folder, Id think ramdisk-like constructs would be used >:/
18:52:31 <pie_> StrCpy $DataDirectory $EXEDIR\Data
18:52:32 <pie_> wut
18:53:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hmm. Sounds like $DataDirectory isn't Data after all. :/
18:53:27 <pie_> hold on
18:53:30 * pie_ rereads some things
18:53:44 <pie_> ./Segments/RunLocally.nsh: StrCpy $DataDirectory $TMP\$AppIDLive\Data
18:53:51 <pie_> ./Segments/Variables.nsh: StrCpy $DataDirectory $EXEDIR\Data
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18:53:56 <pie_> i guess i need to read the context
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18:55:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Ah, indeed.
18:59:04 <pie_> any idea what live mode is?
18:59:25 <pie_> ahh here we go http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/ref/launcher.ini/livemode.html
19:00:06 <pie_> basically for livecd kinda stuff, so i dont need to worry about it
19:00:49 <pie_> though it would still be cool if some kind of ramdisk-like approach were used
19:02:21 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think "a ramdisk-like approach" would need to install drivers (= require admin rights) in order to successfully fool the application that it's running from a hard drive. :(
19:04:00 <pie_> oh right, i didnt think this through, i was thinking of something else
19:04:42 <pie_> it could be done in user space but the program would need to be able to handle that, so itd require modifyin the program source
19:06:22 <pie_> to get it to read it from an ini i think i just need to replace StrCpy $DataDirectory $EXEDIR\Data with ReadINIStr
19:06:59 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, I think that will work. :)
19:07:36 <pie_> this means it should be easy to modify the start menu so that i dont have to use my dirty symlink hack for what im doing
19:09:01 <pie_> I havent a clue how to code in nsis
19:09:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Me neither. :/
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20:37:39 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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21:45:04 <AluisioASG> Interesting discussion this afternoon.
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22:05:22 <pa_5769> help
22:05:23 <GizmoBot> pa_5769: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
22:05:45 <AluisioASG> pa_5769: How can we help you?
22:06:12 <pa_5769> only question I have is how to get portable apps to auto start when I insert US stick in computer USB
22:07:08 <AluisioASG> I don't think that's possible anymore. Microsoft has disabled autostart for security reasons.
22:07:32 <pa_5769> on usb devices
22:07:51 <pa_5769> that makes sense
22:08:08 <AluisioASG> We have an app here, which you can use to start the Platform automatically in computers you control.
22:08:22 <pa_5769> what is it
22:08:41 <pa_5769> how do i get it
22:09:21 <AluisioASG> Gimme a minute, I'll find it.
22:09:26 <pa_5769> this is my home computer som I control it it is win7
22:11:33 <AluisioASG> Here is it: http://portableapps.com/node/13770 . It's quite old, so it doesn't work automatically with our latest releases. Just rename the Start.exe in the root of your drive to StartPortableApps.exe.
22:12:26 <pa_5769> Thanks alot will try it out
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22:13:45 <AluisioASG> It's time for someone to update that thing.
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23:52:02 <AluisioASG> hey gluxon
23:52:14 <gluxon> Hey AluisioASG! :)
23:55:58 <ZachThibeau> hey AluisioASG and gluxon
23:56:05 <AluisioASG> hey ZachThibeau
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