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02:06:24 <m3b> anyone around I'm having bad probs w/PNotes... I have the problem narrowed down...
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02:33:44 <m3b> anyone have a problem with Toucan crashing pretty much constantly; one usb drive as source then one as dDestinaton; setup as a mirror
02:33:47 <m3b> :(
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07:11:44 <m3b> ne one around wondering why Windodws 7 changes the default application after I set it to a portableapp :(
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07:43:14 <m3b> ne one around?
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09:27:23 <pa_6305> Is anybody from the developers team here? I have an issue with instalation on Win7
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11:20:14 <pa_6305> I switched my computer at work from XP to Win7 recently, I know, it was a time. Because I don't like to much folders in the root of the C drive, I always have my PA folder in a "Program Files" folder of the Windows, and there is a place, where the recent problems came. This folder has a slightly different name in German Windows, it calls "Programme" (and same with x86, cause I'm on the x64 installation) here. So in Vista and W
11:20:23 <pa_6305> to call the folders "Program Files" in any localized version of Windows. Then for compatibility reasons they make a link with old name and hide a real folder. So in explorer user see the old structure, but in the command line one can see the real structure.
11:20:44 <pa_6305> If I use an old package installer (like 7zip for example), there is no problem. But with new one, the one with no stick in icon but with a box in it, it simply can't be installed. Installer has a problem to write the files there. I can easily choose the folder in the folder selection dialog. Here I see the localized names. After I choose the folder, I can see a real name in the input line of the installer. But after I pressing
11:20:46 <pa_6305> error message that this isn't a valid folder and I have to choose another one or subfolder. I checked everything, rights and so on, but nothing helped me. Of course, if I create an PA folder in the root of the C drive, I have no problems. The same is with an old PA packaged applications, as I already wrote. Is this a problem with installer or did I oversaw something?
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13:03:46 <AluisioASG> hello pa_6305
13:04:44 <AluisioASG> Are you still there?
14:00:10 <pa_6305> yes
14:09:38 <AluisioASG> We've blocked installations to Program Files due to some issues with portable apps installed in there.
14:11:27 <pa_6305> this is very interesting information! where one can see this kind of notice? because I think this is very important
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14:16:46 <AluisioASG> Hm. I don't think we've written about this anywhere. Sounds like a good idea though.
14:17:10 <AluisioASG> You can watch for news here: http://portableapps.com/news
14:19:23 <pa_6305> is there any other blocked paths? what kind of problems did you have? strange enough that it work with xp.
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14:25:48 <AluisioASG> pa_6305: Not that I know.
14:25:51 <AluisioASG> hey JohnTHaller
14:25:57 <JohnTHaller> hola AluisioASG
14:26:47 <pa_6305> Thank you, I know where the news are. I mean, if it's true and I knew this thing about Program Files, it would save me a couple of hours looking for a non existing error.
14:27:13 <pa_6305> Hi JohnTHaller
14:27:18 <JohnTHaller> hi
14:28:13 <pa_6305> JohnTHaller: is this thing about some blocked paths true?
14:28:46 <pa_6305> JohnTHaller: I mean, what AluisioASG wrote.
14:29:45 <JohnTHaller> Program Files has never been supported or recommended. It won't work at all on Vista/7/8 unless you disable UAC (which is a bad idea). Several apps switch to 'local' mode when in Program Files and won't run portably no matter what as well.
14:30:34 <AluisioASG> JohnTHaller: I think it's time for us to provide a better error message, uh?
14:30:57 <JohnTHaller> So, we finally disallowed it in the Installer about... hmmm... a year ago? And added it to the Launcher in the last few months.
14:31:32 <pa_6305> You mean, because the PA program need to write in some folders, which is simply impossible with standard settings and UAC?
14:32:31 <JohnTHaller> Yes, that's why all apps fail on Vista and up. And if you have them there in XP and upgrade your Windows, they suddenly all fail. But in addition to that, some apps detect when they are in Program Files and switch to local mode, storing settings in registry and APPDATA
14:37:11 <pa_6305> OK, I see. I knew about this kind of UAC problems with some old software, even Outlook 2003 has problems here. I thought, that this is a strange bug, just have something to do with this kind of localization, so the most of people didn't get it, because the folders names wasn't localized in many international versions. But now I understand the reason. Anyway, it would be better to give some message, which isn't so general and
14:39:08 <JohnTHaller> We'll be adding a better message in the future.
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14:40:41 <pa_6305> JohnTHaller: Ok, so the "PortableApps" folder is still the best choice? Or any other folder with any other name, but not the Program Files or Program Files x86? There are no other "problem" folders here? One can use some subfolder in "Users" folder for example?
14:41:33 <JohnTHaller> PortableApps is recommended as all the installers will automatically find it there when you run them. Pro-Tip - The updated installers will also find USERPROFILE\PortableApps as well.
14:41:47 <JohnTHaller> But you can install anywhere except within Program Files / Program Files (x86)
14:43:42 <JohnTHaller> must run... breakfast :)
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14:46:59 <pa_6305> JohnTHaller: Ok, thank you for this information, you certainly mean the home folder, % USERPROFILE%? This is wonderful possibility and a fine replacement for the Program Files folder. I just thought about it, why I got it just now. I think, that this was the only installation in PF folder, which I know. Everybody I know is using launcher with standard folder configuration. At home I have the separate folder too. But: I never
14:54:54 <pa_6305> JohnTHaller|away: OK, thank you all once again, But I really think, that this kind of information is really important. So it has to be in some kind of FAQ. And the error message should be little bit more informative, so nobody would look for the nonexistent errors. And thank you guys for this wonderful kind of software, which makes life easier for many people! How long would the spending go, so I can spend a couple greenbacks
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15:00:38 <AluisioASG> ?
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15:01:15 <pa_6305> Ok, after one error here is another: they changed a proxy configuration yesterday, so the portable chrome installer can't download the chrome package itself, error 403. There is nothing one can with it?
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15:15:33 <AluisioASG> pa_6305: The updater uses Windows' proxy settings. If you configure that, then it will work.
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15:36:33 <pa_5321> I can't configure this settings, this is forbidden by the system policy. But everything works fine till today, as they stared to change something on proxy. So FFx stop working till I changed the connection settings from "Use system settings" to "Auto detect the proxy configuration". Is there any way to do this with installer executable, something like parameter?
15:36:37 <pa_5321> or any way that I separately download an complete chrome standalone install and the portable installer would use it instead of downloading it by itself?
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16:17:00 <ZachThibeau> hola JohnTHaller
16:17:51 <JohnTHaller> hola ZachThibeau
16:18:55 <ZachThibeau> just got a reply to an email I sent 2 years ago to another but no longer working on it xchat developer and he just sent me his patch for making xchat work with minigtk
16:19:24 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice
16:19:32 <JohnTHaller> Is xchat dead noe?
16:19:33 <JohnTHaller> now
16:20:12 <ZachThibeau> pretty much
16:20:34 <ZachThibeau> there are only 2 active forks of it, PChat and XChat-WDK which is now called hexchat
16:21:04 <JohnTHaller> Why did they create hexchat? You ask em about combining into PChat?
16:21:50 <ZachThibeau> the Project Author doesn't think too kindly of PChat
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16:22:02 <JohnTHaller> Any idea why?
16:23:49 <ZachThibeau> various reasons, like our programing style to direction since then end goal is to support a new Graphical interface
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16:24:11 <JohnTHaller> what does he want?
16:25:33 <ZachThibeau> to be honest I don't know anymore and I've given up trying to speak with him
16:29:21 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm going to test this patch out and if it works see about integrating it with PChat and then forwarding the patch to the maintainer of hexchat as a sign of good faith
16:29:42 <JohnTHaller> Cool
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20:14:25 <AluisioASG> hello you all everybody
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