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01:57:59 <AluisioASG> Note to self: typing "/ " fast enough actives the Platform.
01:58:11 <AluisioASG> Can anyone reproduce that?
01:58:15 <gluxon> ZachThibeau: Hey Zach, can I give a suggestion for PChat I could possibly help with?
01:58:30 <gluxon> AluisioASG: Not really..
01:58:55 <gluxon> Or, at least not through Wine.
01:59:41 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: such as?
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01:59:50 <gluxon> Nickname colors :)
02:00:38 <AluisioASG> wb JohnTHaller
02:00:55 <gluxon> I'd like to port Pidgin's nickname algorithm to PChat.
02:01:31 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: that's fine and all but I'm soon putting PChat to rest at least the 1.x series
02:01:39 <JohnTHaller> Hola
02:02:15 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
02:04:42 <ZachThibeau> PChat 2.0 is rising up from the ashes again, being coded from the ground up this time
02:04:47 <AluisioASG> JohnTHaller: can you check if typing /<space> quickly activates the Platform?
02:05:02 <ZachThibeau> AluisioASG: I just tried and it doesn't for me
02:05:05 <JohnTHaller> From where?
02:06:04 <AluisioASG> I can do it anywhere. It's just a matter of typing it quickly enough.
02:06:44 <JohnTHaller> Nope
02:07:38 <AluisioASG> Hm.
02:08:03 <JohnTHaller> When not in focus, that has nothing to do with the platform. It only hooks that single hotkey globally
02:09:07 <AluisioASG> Maybe it's a keyboard layout issue. Let me check.
02:13:14 <AluisioASG> Funny. When I switch to the US keyboard layout, doing that triggers the window menu (it seems that / = AltGr in that layout).
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03:12:32 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: If you've got a moment, I have one or two questions regard OpenJDK Portable.
03:12:36 <gluxon> *regarding
03:12:42 <JohnTHaller> What's up?
03:13:10 <gluxon> Well first, what folder should the folder be targetting?
03:13:15 <gluxon> *should the installer
03:13:21 <gluxon> CommonFiles\JDK?
03:13:30 <JohnTHaller> CommonFiles\OpenJDK
03:13:35 <gluxon> Ok.
03:14:33 <gluxon> Also, jPortable has a JavaPortable.ini file. Should I be doing something similar in regards to OpenJDK?
03:15:36 <JohnTHaller> That was part of Java for OOo. Probably not needed anymore.
03:16:28 <gluxon> Great.
03:17:15 <gluxon> OpenJDK follows the GPL2 license, with modifications from Sun. The modifications are outlined by the ASSEMBLY_EXCEPTION file. I included that as the installer EULA. Do you think that's needed?
03:18:30 <JohnTHaller> What does the exception allow you to do? Is it about end user usage? Or about a developer/compiler having additional rights to do things with it?
03:19:07 <gluxon> Developer compiling rights.
03:19:13 <gluxon> Yeah, it's not end user.
03:19:17 <gluxon> I'll remove it.
03:19:18 <JohnTHaller> Then no EULA. EULA is about the end user
03:19:43 <gluxon> Alright, anything else? I'm sure you have some modifications you want for it to be official.
03:21:03 <JohnTHaller> I can't think of anything offhand
03:22:31 <gluxon> Is this something that can be released soon?
03:22:56 <gluxon> Or I assume you would prefer longer testing?
03:23:11 <JohnTHaller> I don't see why not. Especially since we have a good compile of current and it's working with Eclipse.
03:24:06 <gluxon> Awesome. I'm not going to be pushy about it, so please, do it in your free time :)
03:25:32 <JohnTHaller> Once you're happy with OpenJDK and Eclipse, I say we get em out. People will love it
03:29:34 <gluxon> Well, Eclipse needs to be updated to 4.2.1.
03:31:36 <gluxon> Two more questions regarding Eclipse Portable. Is there anything we're waiting on for Java apps? I believe it's the Platform Java missing prompt, right? And do you think there's anything Eclipse launcher should be doing in regards to integration with Java?
03:32:12 <JohnTHaller> It's the platform missing it
03:32:30 <gluxon> Yeah.
03:32:43 <JohnTHaller> You'll need to custom code for OpenJDK since PAL doesn't support it. But there's no reason we can't release both Java and OpenJDK support in the platform at the same time
03:33:38 <gluxon> I'll probably work with kAlug and Chris on OpenJDK integration.
03:33:41 <gluxon> in PAL.
03:33:58 <JohnTHaller> They may be too busy to get to it soon
03:34:44 <gluxon> Right. It'll probably something I'll work on, since I need to learn PAL's source organization and structure anyway.
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04:56:34 <hicksrva> I have a question ...
04:59:00 <hicksrva> I am running my PAs right now on a separate directory off of my HDD. I will eventually take this entire directory and copy it on to a USB drive. I don't believe this would break any of my PAs, correct?
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05:42:01 <JohnTHaller> hicksrva: You can move your portable apps from one drive to another and they will still work.
05:48:08 <hicksrva> Okay, great.
05:48:39 <hicksrva> I figured as much, but I just wanted to make sure I would not break anything.
05:52:07 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, always better to be safe than sorry. But you can move your whole PA directoy from one drive to another without issue.
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05:55:10 <hicksrva> Is there any way to change the path for jPortable?
05:56:03 <JohnTHaller> You mean relative to the apps? No, it needs to be in PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java The only exception is LibreOffice which allows it at LibreOfficePortable\App\Java
05:56:23 <hicksrva> I see.
05:57:41 <JohnTHaller> It is relative, so it can be X:\Whatever\YouWant\CommonFiles\Java as long as your apps are at X:\Whatever\YouWant\FirefoxPortable and similar.
05:59:49 <hicksrva> So I can have it in X:\_PA\CommonFiles\Java\, though any apps using Java must be installed inside \Java.
05:59:50 <JohnTHaller> Bedtime for me, goodnight all!
06:00:13 <JohnTHaller> No, You'd need your apps at X:\_PA\FirefoxPortable or similar
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10:54:41 <Gregsky> Hey guys, I've been trying to hunt down Ryan McCue - has anyone seen him in a while?
10:58:51 <sar3th> it's been a while
10:59:09 <sar3th> do you have twitter Gregsky? if so, try sending him a DM: https://twitter.com/rmccue
11:01:36 <Gregsky> Haha yeah, same for me
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11:02:14 <TaffinFoxcroft> Been a while since I've IRC'd or played about with NSIS
11:03:11 <sar3th> sadly this channel sort of died
11:04:12 <TaffinFoxcroft> For shame! How's the website going though, still strong? We were in the top 10 most visited sites on the net at one point
11:05:29 <sar3th> i haven't been paying attention much lately :[
11:07:15 <TaffinFoxcroft> Ah well, I really have done pretty much nothing with PA.c after pushing out HM NIS edit
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11:33:07 <TaffinFoxcroft> Welcome to the graveyard shift, andreasma
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12:27:18 <AluisioASG> hai PatrickPowell
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20:36:43 <pa_1024> he;;p
20:36:47 <pa_1024> hello
20:36:50 <JohnTHaller> how can we help you pa_1024?
20:37:22 <pa_1024> how to i put apps from one computer to another one
20:37:54 <JohnTHaller> Do you have some portable apps install on a computer somewhere and you want to move them to another?
20:39:06 <pa_1024> i dont have portable apps installed on one computer but i have it installed on 1
20:39:50 <JohnTHaller> Right. You can just copy all the files from one PC to another, either using a network share, a cloud drive, or an external drive (Flash or hard drive)
20:40:20 <pa_1024> i kno i have put the app on the flasjh
20:41:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok. Then on the other computer, just copy them to where you want to use them
20:41:19 <pa_1024> *flash
20:44:15 <pa_1024> i did but it said...
20:58:07 <JohnTHaller> yes?
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22:05:34 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: mind sharing your knowledge on compiling openjdk?
22:05:43 <gluxon> ZachThibeau: Yes, sure.
22:06:27 <gluxon> I mainly followed this -> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/simonis/archive/2011/10/28/yaojowbi-yet-another-openjdk-windows-build-instruction
22:07:14 <gluxon> Except, I had a couple issues I needed to change.
22:07:37 <gluxon> 1. When you actually start compiling, make sure you use an elevated cmd.exe process.
22:07:46 <gluxon> Or else you'll get permission errors and the build will fail
22:08:24 <gluxon> 2. msvcr100.dll doesn't work (at least for 32-bit compile) from the Visual Studio Program Files folder.
22:08:25 <ZachThibeau> no worries on that
22:09:05 <gluxon> You need msvcr100_clr0400.dll from C:\Windows\system32
22:09:14 <gluxon> And rename it to msvcr100.dll
22:09:35 <ZachThibeau> well currently I'm using vs2012
22:09:40 <gluxon> If you use the one the guide tell you to, it complains about "malloc" errors.
22:10:22 <gluxon> I think it requires 2010
22:10:42 <ZachThibeau> well newer shouldn't be too much of an issue
22:10:45 <gluxon> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/build/raw-file/tip/README-builds.html#msvc32
22:10:58 <gluxon> The 32-bit OpenJDK Windows build requires Microsoft Visual Studio C++ 2010 (VS2010) Professional Edition or Express compiler.
22:11:05 <gluxon> IDK, try it on VS2012.
22:11:27 <ZachThibeau> yeah that was the compiler probably at the time that was the latest
22:11:43 <ZachThibeau> hmmm... I wonder though
22:11:51 <ZachThibeau> mingw based jdk xD
22:11:55 <gluxon> :D
22:12:08 <gluxon> That'd be cool.
22:12:41 <ZachThibeau> looking at the mailing lists for openjdk and it seems possible
22:12:47 <gluxon> I had an issue initially with MinGW being in the path and screwing up the build.
22:12:58 <gluxon> Took me a while to figure out that issue, although it was a very simple one -.-
22:13:05 <gluxon> Ok
22:13:40 <ZachThibeau> http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~simonis/MinGW_MSYS_jdk.v1/ :D
22:13:43 <gluxon> One of the make/build parameters is ALT_MSVCRNN_DLL_PATH, and requires you to point it to msvcr100(_clr0400).dll
22:13:53 <gluxon> You can probably find the VC2012 equivalent
22:14:00 <gluxon> :O
22:14:00 <gluxon> :D
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23:00:39 <dboki89> Hi. There is a well concealed spam link to "free tube tv" at the end of this comment http://portableapps.com/news/2012-11-15--andreamosaic-portable-3.33-released#comment-201707
23:00:53 <dboki89> If you can't see it, than the spammer/marketer has done a fine job.
23:01:34 <dboki89> He also utilizes [rel] attribute to try and trick search engines by overruling the website's [rel=nofollow]. Doubt it actually works against any proper SE, but it's the intent that counts.
23:02:26 <dboki89> Just a passing observation. Have a nice day
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23:03:47 <gluxon> ZachThibeau, ^
23:04:17 <gluxon> Click anywhere in the post and hit "tab" if you want to see the link. You probably know this trick already though.
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23:06:08 <ZachThibeau> taken care of
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