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01:39:22 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:39:29 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:54:39 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: I've got a couple more updates coming your way, both of my apps, and others i've noticed need it
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17:56:04 <JohnTHaller> Cool
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18:08:57 <pabot> Hi pa_6003! Welcome to the PortableApps.com IRC channel. Please ask your question and someone should be with you shortly. If you do not receive an answer wait a bit longer or consider posting it on the forums.
18:09:27 <pa_6003> Anyone help with creating an app using the generator?
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18:12:03 <bluegrass501> anyone there?
18:12:24 <bluegrass501> Need help with launcher generator
18:13:15 <bluegrass501> Is there a tutorial??
18:13:19 <JohnTHaller> Here but about to hop on a client phone call, so can't assist at the moment. Gord perhaps?
18:13:31 <JohnTHaller> The manual: http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/
18:13:56 <bluegrass501> tried the manual, keep getting error about the app.ini missing
18:13:56 <JohnTHaller> The 5 links next to Getting Started are helpful
18:14:17 <JohnTHaller> You need a valid appinfo.ini file just like all apps in PortableApps.com Format have.
18:14:47 <bluegrass501> correct, just don't know how to get one for my Trillian
18:15:13 <JohnTHaller> It can help to start by looking at an existing app. You don't get one, you make one. It's a basic text file. Just grab one from any other app and change it to fit what you're working on.
18:15:48 <bluegrass501> do you also have to create the app\appini folder structure somewhere?
18:16:10 <JohnTHaller> Most folks start with this: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/portableapps/PortableApps.com_Application_Template_2.4.zip
18:16:26 <JohnTHaller> It's a zipped template of the basic structure. It's all on the Development page: http://portableapps.com/development
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18:17:34 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
18:17:41 <bluegrass501> instructions too?
18:17:52 <ZachThibeau> hola John
18:18:01 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Handy you're here. SF wants you to upgrade PChat to the new SF system
18:18:11 <JohnTHaller> bluegrass501: The instructions are the ones I linked you
18:18:56 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: I don't host PChat on sf.net anymore, I've been using bitbucket for about a year now, but I did get the notifications for some of the other projects I help out with that are still on sf
18:19:06 <bluegrass501> thanks, I'll mess with it some more after I grab the template
18:19:13 <JohnTHaller> If you lose any of those links, they're all right in the Development section. PA.c Format, PA.c Launcher, PA.c Template, etc.
18:19:32 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ah, ok. It is still on SF, though. So what is there will be upgraded.
18:19:38 <GordCaswell> bluegrass501: If you need any more help, feel free to come back here. We're freindly folk :)
18:19:47 <bluegrass501> where do I need to create the /app/appini folder stufff...actually in the program files / Trillian area or on my jump drive?
18:19:48 <JohnTHaller> Except for Zach
18:20:05 <ZachThibeau> yeah I know lol, vba-m got a forced upgrade earlier
18:20:21 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: Are you working on the waveshop update yet? If not, I can get it.
18:20:36 <JohnTHaller> Please do, Gord. I've been busy working on taxes and paying medical bills.
18:21:00 <GordCaswell> bluegrass501: I would set up a seperate folder on your computer somewhere for it. Doesn't need to be on your jump drive.
18:21:06 <GordCaswell> KK, will do.
18:22:09 <ZachThibeau> I got to push a new update for PChat soon, been working on converting pixmaps to cairo surfaces for the upgrade to gtk3, PChat 2 is going slower than I liked
18:23:03 <bluegrass501> ok, thanks
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18:25:28 <GordCaswell> John: I was investigating how much work would be needed to compile the platform on lazarus. Might be a bit beyond me though, as the pngimage component apparently doesn't exist on lazarus, and compilation throws errors as a result.
18:25:50 <JohnTHaller> I think they just use image, no?
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18:27:37 <GordCaswell> Don't know yet. I just got to the point of getting the error, and didn't have a chance to dig any deeper at that moment.
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19:02:39 <ZachThibeau> GordCaswell: you should speak with sar3th about it when he comes around, he and I tried to compile the platform on lazarus at one point, I think he may have some insight and maybe willing to help if not at least offer suggestions
19:03:20 <GordCaswell> K, thanks Zach. I'm just curious at the moment, not making a serious effort. That may come later :)
19:04:24 <ZachThibeau> at one point someone actually made the effort and coded it in c++ but it didn't really take
19:04:42 <ZachThibeau> done in pure c++ winapi iirc no toolkits
19:05:08 <GordCaswell> wow...that'd be an intense amount of time. I'm definitely not going there...
19:06:38 <ZachThibeau> Ryan Mccue has it on his old google code account iirc
19:09:13 <ZachThibeau> though a qt implimentation could achieve it nicely and quicker than pure winapi, as much as I'm not a fan of qt it's the best c++ toolkit for skinning support
19:12:02 <GordCaswell> it is indeed. The downside to switching languages entirely, as opposed to a semi-switch like free pascal, is that it'd be a complete rewrite, rather than only a slight rewrite
19:15:03 <ZachThibeau> all depending, the current platform uses strings in an ini file right? (it's been a while since I last looked at translations for the platform)
19:16:34 <GordCaswell> Translations, yeah. all the logic though, is pure delphi
19:17:04 <ZachThibeau> wxwidgets I know makes use of gettext
19:21:14 <JohnTHaller> Yes, all translations and settings are in INI files. All logic is Delphi. All theme/images are PNGs or ICOs (for apps).
19:27:40 <ZachThibeau> for now it is better for the pascal approach and then maybe a sub project for a c++ version
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20:11:50 <GordCaswell> So iJohnTHaller: I'm updating PokerTH as well, and noted the splash screen isn't portablized. The problem We may run into in doing so, however, is there is no "PokerTH" listed on it, just a chip. Here's the current splash: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Byzk8vcx4EYOY2lDcXpzMkRGbWc/edit?usp=sharing
20:12:13 <GordCaswell> err...that's odd. Wonder where So i came from...
20:12:44 <GordCaswell> JohnTHaller: I'm updating PokerTH as well, and noted the splash screen isn't portablized. The problem We may run into in doing so, however, is there is no "PokerTH" listed on it, just a chip. Here's the current splash: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Byzk8vcx4EYOY2lDcXpzMkRGbWc/edit?usp=sharing
20:26:51 <JohnTHaller> I think it's ok to leave, then
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20:38:00 <GordCaswell> Ok, I'll leave it as it is.
20:42:11 <GordCaswell> And 6 at once is enough for me for now :)
20:43:01 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Hey, quick legal question. Let's say I bundle software in a zip with GCC. Does all software in that zip have to be Open Source?
20:43:22 <gluxon> I've always thought "yes", but can't seem to find the line in GPL that states it.
20:44:16 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Only when things are linked. So, for example, if the platform's backup utility were closed source, it could still use 7-Zip because it is calling it via command line (launching an external program, just like the Windows Start Menu does). But if we linked to the DLL from a closed source backup utility, that would be a violation.
20:44:54 <gluxon> Ok. Makes sense.
20:45:07 <gluxon> Gracias :)
20:45:39 <JohnTHaller> The one tricky bit is if you package it in an installer, like an EXE. The FSF used to state that the installer had to be GPL or GPL-compatible in order to contain GPLed binaries (though it could also contain non-GPLed binaries). Later they switched it and said it did not. I'm not sure if there is a definitive answer on that.
20:45:51 <JohnTHaller> It doesn't affect us as PA.c Installer is GPLed with exceptions.
20:46:57 <gluxon> Alrighty then.
20:47:28 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: On a side note, I haven't seen you here for a while. How's life? :)
20:48:19 <JohnTHaller> It's ok. Been busy trying to make some money to pay some medical bills. And prepping a new flash drive for release. As well as updating apps and keeping the site up and finding cheaper bandwidth. How about you?
20:49:36 <gluxon> I'd be exited for that new flash drive. I've been doing good, AP's aren't a joke :(
20:50:00 <gluxon> Except AP Comp Sci, that one is easier than others :)
20:50:25 <JohnTHaller> If you have the right brain for it, CS can be a snap. Guess you do :)
20:50:58 <gluxon> I'm re-reading what you wrote earlier... medical bills? :(
20:51:01 <gluxon> Nothing serious?
20:51:12 <JohnTHaller> New flash drive is a good one. Military grade encryption. But fewer of the negatives of some of them.
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21:01:53 <ZachThibeau> hey gluxon
21:02:17 <gluxon> Hey ZachThibeau :)
21:02:29 <gluxon> ZachThibeau: pabot says you called for help earlier :P
21:02:40 <ZachThibeau> how's things? and I did no such thing
21:03:24 <gluxon> Good. pabot triggers if you just say the world "help"
21:04:24 <gluxon> I am eating Haagen-Dazs caramel ice cream. Life can not get better....
21:04:28 <ZachThibeau> ah alright
21:04:47 <ZachThibeau> heh someone forked PChat xD
21:05:26 <gluxon> On GitHub?
21:06:43 <ZachThibeau> bitbucket
21:06:53 <ZachThibeau> I use mercurial for my code repository
21:08:42 <ZachThibeau> it's not the first fork, one kind of floated by but shared their changes back upstream with me which I was happy to see happen
21:09:23 <ZachThibeau> I was reviewing xchat's own svn repository though, some changes involve upgrading the codebase to gtk3
21:10:12 <ZachThibeau> and zed isn't the author of these changes, it's a new maintainer it seems
21:10:56 <gluxon> Who/what is zed?
21:11:07 <ZachThibeau> the original maintainer for xchat
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21:13:18 <gluxon> Ah.
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