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02:09:48 <GordCaswell> hmm, no one has voice anymore...what happened?
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20:49:25 <gluxon> GordCaswell: I saw that you made a comment on the platform rewrite thread. Do you have an opinion to share about it?
20:50:06 <GordCaswell> May as well amke a comment here, it gets logged, after all. Then I can copy it over to the thread.
20:54:23 <gluxon> I assume your thoughts are probably the same as John? The tech isn't ready?
20:56:24 <GordCaswell> I am in favour of a rewrite/port/fork/etc. of the platform to something that more people can contribute with. IE - something that doesn't cost $200USD :) I'm personally leaning towards a Lazarus port at the moment, for the sole reason that the uinderlying architecture is similar, so a full re-write would not be neccessary. With that said, I'm open to whichever method is preferred by the community of developers as a whole ,whether that be
20:56:25 <GordCaswell> pure C/C++, Qt C++, QML, Lazarus, Node.js, app.js, whatever.
20:56:56 <gluxon> Oh, I didn't expect that.
20:57:36 <GordCaswell> I haven't had enough exposure to either app.js or node.js to form much of an opinion at this time, however in my limited browse of the appjs website, that particular tech seems to still be maturing.
20:57:52 <GordCaswell> heh. glad to have surprised you :)
20:57:56 <gluxon> :)
20:58:22 <Gizmokid2005> I don't know that a web-based tech is really right for PA tech
20:58:22 <gluxon> There's also TideSDK. It seems a bit more mature but it's not Open Source.
20:58:27 <Gizmokid2005> but something other than truly Delphi would be
20:58:37 <Gizmokid2005> you have a larger userbase and there's not the inhibiting entry factor.
21:01:25 <gluxon> Well, there's nothing wrong with web-based tech.
21:01:48 <gluxon> It's just the way we'll be writing the code.
21:02:09 <gluxon> It got kind of thrown off in the thread, but the ability to modify the menu will be limitless.
21:02:21 <gluxon> *would be
21:02:28 <Gizmokid2005> right, but john brings up excellent points
21:02:44 <Gizmokid2005> in that web tech doesn't have access to windows APIs like actual "native" code-bases do
21:02:58 <Gizmokid2005> no API access for file read/writes, drive removal, etc...
21:02:59 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: It does through C++ bindings.
21:03:14 <Gizmokid2005> gluxon: but then it's not web-tech and you run into the same issue as Delphi
21:03:22 <Gizmokid2005> where a select few know how it integrates and runs
21:03:29 <gluxon> Not really.
21:03:37 <Gizmokid2005> whereas going fully C++, Lazarus, Qt, etc, there's huge communities around all of them.
21:04:08 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: I feel like you haven't read the entire thread yet.
21:04:43 <Gizmokid2005> I did
21:05:55 <Gizmokid2005> in any case, the platform should be moved from Delphi to something without that entry cost.
21:06:11 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: The JavaScript exposed API are easy enough to be understood by any JS developer. Node.js provides filesystem capabilities ->
21:06:12 <gluxon> http://nodejs.org/api/fs.html
21:06:20 <gluxon> Although like John said, some features are still unstable.
21:06:31 <gluxon> But my point here is that it exists.
21:07:01 <gluxon> I'd argue that the Node.js community is much more ubiquitous than Lazarus, Qt C++.
21:07:22 <gluxon> Note that I said Qt C++ and not C++. I can't make an argument for the later. ;)
21:08:02 <Gizmokid2005> really to that effect, C# would be just as useful
21:09:08 <GordCaswell> heh...hard to say that anything is more ubiquitous than straight C++...
21:09:29 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, going with what you're saying gluxon, how exactly would you present the platform to the user if we went with AppJS?
21:10:30 <gluxon> I'm sorry, can you elaborate on "present the platform"?
21:10:38 <gluxon> And like I said, AppJS isn't the only option.
21:10:56 <gluxon> I would be downloaded, installed, and ran the same if that's what you mean.
21:11:56 <gluxon> *It would be
21:12:00 <Gizmokid2005> no I mean, right now, the platform is displayed to the user as if it's a native application
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21:12:09 <Gizmokid2005> ie - no browser needing to be launched, etc
21:12:18 <Gizmokid2005> how would you present the platform with your methods?
21:17:35 <gluxon> It would be the exact same.
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