IRC Log from 2014-01-11
01:23:11 <SES21> Gizmokid2005: Sorry, been busy & didn't see your response! Anyone able to take a look at Chrome Beta to find out why the 404 error?
01:23:11 <SES21> Gizmokid2005: Sorry, been busy & didn't see your response! Anyone able to take a look at Chrome Beta to find out why the 404 error?
01:24:05 <Gizmokid2005> from the site or platform downloader?
01:24:05 <Gizmokid2005> from the site or platform downloader?
01:25:21 <SES21> Both Updater & then when trying to "Install an App" from platform directed at downloaded file from site...if that makes sense. Been going on for a couple of days
01:25:21 <SES21> Both Updater & then when trying to "Install an App" from platform directed at downloaded file from site...if that makes sense. Been going on for a couple of days
01:25:45 <Gizmokid2005> using this download? http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Google%20Chrome%20Portable/Additional%20Versions/GoogleChromePortableBeta_32.0.1700.68_online.paf.exe/download
01:25:45 <Gizmokid2005> using this download? http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Google%20Chrome%20Portable/Additional%20Versions/GoogleChromePortableBeta_32.0.1700.68_online.paf.exe/download
01:26:06 <Gizmokid2005> because that's a new version posted ~7 hours ago
01:26:06 <Gizmokid2005> because that's a new version posted ~7 hours ago
01:26:26 <SES21> Almost. It's trying same thing but .72
01:26:26 <SES21> Almost. It's trying same thing but .72
01:26:52 <Gizmokid2005> where'd you get that installer?
01:26:52 <Gizmokid2005> where'd you get that installer?
01:26:56 <SES21> It looks like it's failing on the actual dl from Google
01:26:56 <SES21> It looks like it's failing on the actual dl from Google
01:27:28 <Gizmokid2005> because .68 is the latest that has been packaged from PortableApps
01:27:29 <Gizmokid2005> because .68 is the latest that has been packaged from PortableApps
01:27:36 <Gizmokid2005> and I just used that DL and installed just fine
01:27:36 <Gizmokid2005> and I just used that DL and installed just fine
01:28:03 <SES21> Platform, check for updates & SF, PA project, browse files...
01:28:03 <SES21> Platform, check for updates & SF, PA project, browse files...
01:28:14 <Gizmokid2005> a lot of the non-normal installers like that stop working when newer versions are released.
01:28:14 <Gizmokid2005> a lot of the non-normal installers like that stop working when newer versions are released.
01:28:23 <SES21> Also, Chrome Portable page on PAc, Beta dl
01:28:23 <SES21> Also, Chrome Portable page on PAc, Beta dl
01:28:35 <Gizmokid2005> well that link I sent you for GoogleChromePortableBeta_32.0.1700.68_online.paf just installed without issues for me.
01:28:35 <Gizmokid2005> well that link I sent you for GoogleChromePortableBeta_32.0.1700.68_online.paf just installed without issues for me.
01:28:53 <SES21> but .72 is current
01:28:53 <SES21> but .72 is current
01:29:01 <SES21> let me get you some links
01:29:01 <SES21> let me get you some links
01:29:23 <Gizmokid2005> it may be current, but it's not actually pulling from the main page
01:29:23 <Gizmokid2005> it may be current, but it's not actually pulling from the main page
01:29:26 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable
01:29:26 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable
01:29:28 <Gizmokid2005> it may say .72
01:29:28 <Gizmokid2005> it may say .72
01:29:39 <Gizmokid2005> but if you click the download button, it just takes you to the sourceforge project page
01:29:39 <Gizmokid2005> but if you click the download button, it just takes you to the sourceforge project page
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01:30:13 <Gizmokid2005> that version doesn't seem to be legitimately posted right now
01:30:15 <SES21> No, .72 is the offical current Beta release
01:30:20 <Gizmokid2005> I know it is.
01:30:30 <Gizmokid2005> But it's not available from our project download
01:31:03 <Gizmokid2005> which means that it was probably posted and then removed due to some issue(s) or there were errors with the file and it was pulled and being a beta, it wasn't high priority to fix the links and just leave it until it was reposted
01:31:13 <SES21> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Google%20Chrome%20Portable/Additional%20Versions/GoogleChromePortableBeta_32.0.1700.72_online.paf.exe/download?accel_key=69%3A1389403767%3Ahttp%253A//portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable%3A8550982c%243bb3ca230e0d8f3cac7e953e09baf51a501f2458&click_id=cf53f78a-7a5f-11e3-8eea-0200ac1d1d90-1&source=accel copied from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome
01:31:26 <Gizmokid2005> yes, I just said that.
01:31:32 <Gizmokid2005> [20:29:36] <+Gizmokid2005> but if you click the download button, it just takes you to the sourceforge project page
01:31:34 <Gizmokid2005> I also said that
01:31:39 <Gizmokid2005> because the file it's referencing is gone
01:31:42 <Gizmokid2005> again, see above.
01:32:21 <SES21> Maybe it got fixed this afternoon while I was hanging out? Someone else had the same problem
01:32:29 <Gizmokid2005> no, I'm telling you it's not fixed.
01:32:47 <Gizmokid2005> .72 is not available from our project page on sourceforge
01:32:57 <Gizmokid2005> which means that dl is flat out not available, hence you will get a 404 and it won't work.
01:33:06 <Gizmokid2005> the most recent installer version available for Beta is .68
01:33:12 <Gizmokid2005> the exact reason behind that, I do not know.
01:33:44 <SES21> Wrong! I just ran Updater & it's still saying it's there.
01:33:49 <Gizmokid2005> ....
01:34:02 <SES21> You talk too fast for me., too
01:34:08 <Gizmokid2005> SES21: the file list that the updater gets is not a file directory listing for the updater
01:34:13 <Gizmokid2005> it is a separately maintained list.
01:34:22 <Gizmokid2005> the actual page on our site lists .72 as the most recent as well
01:34:30 <Gizmokid2005> If I type to fast, read it again, it doesn't self-destruct.
01:34:50 <SES21> I know that, I meant to keep up with you!
01:35:10 <Gizmokid2005> Whether or not the updater/platform or webpage list .72 as the latest, that actual download is just flat out not available from our project hosting right now. The reason for it's absence I do not know.
01:35:26 <Gizmokid2005> as of right now, the most up to date download we have is .68. Regardless of what any other page/program says.
01:35:54 <SES21> I'm telling you I dl'd .72 from SF, PAc earlier today!
01:36:19 <SES21> I ran it & got the 404 when it evidently tried to pull the online installer from Google
01:36:22 <Gizmokid2005> then you're giving me bad information either now or earlier.
01:36:24 <Gizmokid2005> [20:25:19] <SES21> Both Updater & then when trying to "Install an App" from platform directed at downloaded file from site...if that makes sense. Been going on for a couple of days
01:36:43 <Gizmokid2005> You told me when you first started that it's been 404'ing for days, but now you're telling me it worked earlier today...
01:36:44 <Gizmokid2005> so, which is it?
01:37:07 <SES21> You're not following the actual problem!
01:38:17 <SES21> PAc has the .72 paf.exe but that calls an online Chrome installer of some sort from Google. That seems to be where the 404 comes from. Evidently, .72.paf is making a bad call for the online installer
01:38:35 <Gizmokid2005> no SES21, PA.c does NOT have the .72.paf.exe
01:38:35 <SES21> As in, the paf file exists but it's got a typo or something maybe??
01:38:40 <Gizmokid2005> I can guarantee it.
01:38:45 <Gizmokid2005> it is absolutely NOT in our file repository
01:38:56 <SES21> Well, then it's been taken down this afternoon
01:39:02 <Gizmokid2005> that is what I'm telling you.
01:39:06 <Gizmokid2005> I can't test the installer
01:39:10 <Gizmokid2005> because it just doesn't exist.
01:39:20 <SES21> Run the Updater then
01:39:29 <Gizmokid2005> so the fact that that installer itself didn't work, may be the reason that it was removed.
01:39:33 <Gizmokid2005> the updater won't pull the file either
01:39:36 <Gizmokid2005> it uses the SAME FILE.
01:39:59 <Gizmokid2005> SES21: http://i.imgur.com/35Y23kc.png
01:40:10 <SES21> Well, it showed up as updated a few days ago & the Updater has failed with 404 every time since
01:40:19 <Gizmokid2005> the updater has right?
01:40:20 <Gizmokid2005> yes
01:40:23 <Gizmokid2005> that means OUR INSTALLER is missing
01:40:30 <Gizmokid2005> probably because the installer itself was having errors.
01:40:38 <Gizmokid2005> we won't continue to host broken installers.
01:40:47 <Gizmokid2005> so if it was broken, it likely got removed until the issue(s) is/are fixed.
01:44:43 <SES21> http://portableapps.com/node/38974
01:45:22 <Gizmokid2005> except your report is wrong SES21
01:45:30 <Gizmokid2005> can you actually download the installer from our website right now?
01:52:39 <SES21> No, but that's not why I can here asking for help! At the time, the .72 file WAS available & dl/install would initially start then fail
01:53:49 <SES21> I can here hoping to get someone to look at the .72.paf because it seemed like it would be a quick fix to correct what seemed to be an erroneous URI within the .72.paf.exe
01:54:20 <SES21> causing the dl call to get the installer from Google to 404
01:54:28 <SES21> capeche?
01:55:19 <SES21> it's not the missing .72 that I cared about which, of course, would givve a 404 attempting to dl now bc it's been pulled from SF
01:55:54 <SES21> It was to get someone to fix .72.paf so it would work to get the file from Google
01:56:53 <SES21> .68 was put up this afternoon
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01:57:08 <JWPM77> Hello?
01:57:26 <JWPM77> help!
01:57:26 <GizmoBot> JWPM77: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:57:51 <JWPM77> Do I install the app on my removeable device or on the computer itself?
01:58:01 <Gizmokid2005> I know SES21. You need to update your comment then to accurately reflect the issue. Like I said the .72 installer was probably removed because it was failing
01:58:25 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: that's up to you, but a word of caution, if you install them to your computer, you should put them in a folder such as C:\PortableApps or something
01:58:30 <Gizmokid2005> and not install directly to the C:\ drive.
01:59:08 <JWPM77> Like if I wanted to use it on another computer I would install it on a usb right?
01:59:17 <SES21> It's still newer than .55 that I currently have but the Updater is still trying to get .72 or so the error msg says
01:59:32 <Gizmokid2005> You can really install them wherever you want JWPM77, but note that you may run into permissions issue on the computer, and that long filenames could cause issues
01:59:39 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: yes, if you want to use it on more than one computer.
02:00:09 <Gizmokid2005> SES21: yes, the updater says .72 because that's the most recent file it knows about. Like I said earlier, the files that the updater tries to push aren't controlled by the actual files that are available, but by a list that gets published by the site owner.
02:00:16 <Gizmokid2005> the same one who actually posts the files himself.
02:00:32 <JWPM77> So after I installed say java runtime I can go to another computer without it and plug it in and run java applications/programs?
02:00:46 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: no.
02:01:05 <SES21> So it appeaars there are 2 problems...the original .72.paf had problems that resulted in a 404 when trying to dl & now the Updater is still trying to fetch .72 from SF/PAc repository but it's been pulled
02:01:14 <JWPM77> Then how does it exactly work?
02:01:19 <Gizmokid2005> because the jPortable doesn't install to the system path, so you would have to attempt to run those java programs by manually calling that version of Java, some of which can be mitigated by the jPortable Launcher
02:01:56 <Gizmokid2005> SES21: yes. but the problem for the updater is likely because of the original problem of the installer. If the installer didn't work, it would get pulled. Someone just didn't make the updater aware of that.
02:02:10 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: with other apps like Firefox and Thunderbird and Chrome and Pidgin, etc etc, you can just run the applications.
02:02:26 <Gizmokid2005> java isn't just an application though, so its usage is a bit different.
02:02:36 <JWPM77> So how exactly would I set it up for usage?
02:02:49 <SES21> JWPM77: I installed my copy into C:\PAc\
02:03:22 <JWPM77> I'm sort of new so what is that?
02:03:30 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: this page tells you: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/java_portable
02:03:35 <Gizmokid2005> JARs can be run using our jPortable Launcher.
02:03:37 <SES21> Gizmokid2005: Yes, I came here originally hoping to find John hanging out (yes, I also know about his accident/surgery/etc)
02:03:50 <Gizmokid2005> Which is this app: http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/java_portable_launcher
02:04:18 <Gizmokid2005> that that will only really allow you to run JARs using that portable version of java. it doesn't just magically make java available on any computer you go to. There's no way to do that at all.
02:04:31 <SES21> but there was a similar 404 problem a while back, also Chrome Beta, that John fixed really quickly
02:05:03 <Gizmokid2005> SES21: that may be true. I don't work with him side-by-side so I can't speak to his responsiveness then nor now or his reasonings behind why he does things the way he does.
02:05:20 <JWPM77> Say I was to want and play a game needing java could these portables allow for that to happen?
02:06:57 <Gizmokid2005> JWPM77: depending on how the game runs, yes.
02:07:30 <JWPM77> Say the game was Minecraft if you are familiar...
02:07:31 <Gizmokid2005> for instance, if you're aiming at Minecraft, you should be able to, but you'll need to launch the game using direct paths to java, rather than using their handy exe launcher.
02:07:51 <JWPM77> Well alrighty then.
02:07:57 <Gizmokid2005> you would have to write a batch file to manually call the path in a command prompt window in order to use it
02:08:00 <Gizmokid2005> but it could and whould work.
02:08:07 <Gizmokid2005> I've never actually attempted it, but it should.
02:08:34 <JWPM77> Would it also be able to run a server as well?
02:08:38 <Gizmokid2005> yes
02:08:40 <Gizmokid2005> same idea
02:09:09 <JWPM77> Is there a portable for something like Hamachi?
02:09:31 <Gizmokid2005> no
02:09:44 <Gizmokid2005> hamachi for instance requires drivers on the computer which can't be portablized.
02:10:15 <JWPM77> Nothing that could link or forward ips so the server could be on the internet accessed from anywhere?
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02:11:10 <Gizmokid2005> no.
02:11:20 <JWPM77> Well thanks aand bye for now....
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02:22:44 <SES21> Gizmokid2005: If you think about it, I didn't actually tell you anything wrong. I told you that .72 had been failing for days, which is true. You yourself even said that .68 just got posted ~8 hours ago now. If .72 had been failing & .68 was just put up, shouldn't that be a big hint that .72 used to exist & likely had a problem, the problem I came here to hopefully get fixed, which resulted in its being pulled & replaced by .68 e
02:23:14 <Gizmokid2005> No, you did.
02:23:23 <Gizmokid2005> you said that .72 was failing for days but worked this morning.
02:24:08 <SES21> No, I said I was able to dl it this morning from SF/PA repository & it also failed when I tried to use it from Install an App in the platform
02:24:31 <Gizmokid2005> No. You said it failed for days: [20:25:19] <SES21> Both Updater & then when trying to "Install an App" from platform directed at downloaded file from site...if that makes sense. Been going on for a couple of days
02:24:49 <Gizmokid2005> and then later on said it worked this morning: [20:35:51] <SES21> I'm telling you I dl'd .72 from SF, PAc earlier today!
02:25:29 <SES21> When you use use Install an App, you point at a file on your drive...the file I pointed at was .72.paf that I dl'd earlier today from SF/PAc
02:26:54 <SES21> Both failed with 404s but the 404 was not on .72.paf, it was attempting to use .72.paf
02:27:06 <Gizmokid2005> Which you didn't originally specify
02:27:27 <Gizmokid2005> which is why I said you were either not explaining correctly or misinforming in one of those statements.
02:27:39 <Gizmokid2005> which then, would've been correct. You hadn't fully elaborated what you meant in both of those statements.
02:27:43 <SES21> Yeah, I did
02:30:31 <SES21> the 20:35 comment is taken out of context, though. I said that when you were adamantly telling me that I couldn't have gotten .72 from SF/PA repository bc it doesn't exist
02:31:24 <SES21> If I didn't elaborate enough for you, you should have asked more questions...not been trying to tell me that I couldn't have the .72 file & that what I told you was wrong!
02:31:50 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not going to sit here and argue whether or not you were right or not.
02:32:15 <Gizmokid2005> The fact is the file you want to install doesn't exist. Probably because of the fact it wasn't working in the first place, thus it was removed.
02:32:16 <Gizmokid2005> QED.
02:34:06 <SES21> All I'm expecting you to say is that what I told you wasn't wrong. It may not have been complete/detailed enough for you but it wasn't wrong
02:44:31 <SES21> Go look at the questions you asked just before I posted my comments. I gave you correct answers to the questions you were asking each time. The comments don't lie & they don't self-destruct
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