IRC Log from 2011-06-22

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00:50:38 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: what is .. _paf-appinfo-appid: in the Manual? Specifically, how do I refer to it?
00:51:24 <ChrisMorgan> Refer to :ref:`the specification for AppID <paf-appinfo-appid>` or something like that
00:56:28 <kAlug> Ahh... now it works. Thanks.
00:59:16 <ChrisMorgan> And you can stick those .. _labels: anywhere when you want to put a reference to text. Prefer to put it immediately before a heading in general rather than in the text; that gives more context and also you can then do e.g. :ref:`topics-java` without specifying the title manually (:ref:`title <topics-java>`) which will use the heading name (so :ref:`topics-java` produces the same result as :ref:`Java applications <topics-java>`.
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01:14:00 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: "Changes" are modifications in existing PAL's behavior, so %PAL:AppID% goes in "New features", right?
01:14:09 <ChrisMorgan> Correct.
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01:30:04 <DannyMuniz> hey guys my friend has a win 7 64bit home edition notebook and it is turnin on and off non-stop, any ideas?
01:31:44 <ZachThibeau> if it's under warrenty I suggest making use of it while you have it
01:32:46 <DannyMuniz> lol ok, im just going to check it with a live cd and see if i find a virus but if not then that is what i will do have him send it out
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01:54:45 <pa_1684> hello all.
01:54:53 <DannyMuniz> Hi!
01:55:21 <pa_1684> Need some runtimes included with my app, as we decided earlier. Has anyone figured out how to do it?
01:55:49 <pa_1684> These Runtimes : http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=29
01:58:55 <DannyMuniz> Just incase he is refering to this http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-06-21#T21-32-37
02:00:18 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1684: copy the whole directory (Microsoft.VC80.CRT or whatever it is) in the app directory (as in App\AppName\Microsoft.VC80.CRT).
02:01:36 <ChrisMorgan> That directory should then be containing something like msvcr80.dll, msvcp80.dll, msvcm80.dll and Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest.
02:01:54 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: %PAL:AppID% done. Pushing it now.
02:02:46 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1684: as for DirectX, that will just be a requirement. If the host doesn't have it, your app can't run.
02:07:45 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: thanks for doing that; a couple of notes: prefer appinfo.ini to AppInfo.ini, custom code should use $AppID.
02:10:52 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: OK. Did you already pulled from it? If not, I'll revert it.
02:11:26 <ChrisMorgan> Once you've pushed you can't revert. Just commit a bit more changing AppInfo.ini to appinfo.ini and recommending that custom code use $AppID.
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02:17:47 <pa_1684> where is Microsoft.VC80.CRT? and as for directx, I disabled it..i think. It should defualt and only use, OpenGL
02:19:30 <DannyMuniz> pa_1684: not all computer have OpenGL we have seen problems with this before, I know I have
02:20:07 <DannyMuniz> well what i mean is that not all computer have it
02:20:16 <pa_1684> OpenGL is usually standard with modern graphics cards, I thought. SO if you dont have OpenGL, your card probably cant handle it anyway
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02:21:55 <pa_1684> a folder called x86_microsoft.vc80.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.42_none_db5f52fb98cb24ad has the 3 files you mentioned
02:22:09 <pa_1684> its under C:\Windows\winsxs
02:27:22 <ChrisMorgan> Including the manifest file?
02:27:51 <ChrisMorgan> Copy it as Microsoft.VC80.CRT as I said. Find the manifest file if it's not there. I've got to go to an exam now, bye.
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02:57:23 <pa_1684> http://portableapps.com/node/28262
02:59:34 <JohnTHaller> Anybody here affected by this issue? http://portableapps.com/node/27310
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03:29:49 <JohnTHaller> Firefox 5.0 is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-06-21_-_firefox_portable_5.0_released
04:05:36 <kAlug> Drupal is weird... instead of a 404 it gave me a "Access denied" in our last spammer's page
04:06:28 <JohnTHaller> Odd
04:08:01 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: it's possible to use the same username from a deleted user?
04:08:20 <JohnTHaller> If a user is deleted yes. But I only block spammers
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04:14:04 <kAlug> It was just out of curiosity, 'cause... that spammer was called "allweek" #lol
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04:14:55 <pa_1684> Is there anyone here with a clean testing environment?
04:15:19 <pa_1684> That has no C++ runtimes, no Dx, but OpenGL?
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05:14:02 <SergentSiler> so apparently the webchat client got klined
05:14:15 <SergentSiler> hence the above kline
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08:48:27 <pa_6328> hello
08:48:45 <ChrisMorgan> pa_6328: if you have a question, please just ask it.
08:49:16 <pa_6328> is there a mean to be informed each time an apps is published in a new version ?
08:59:14 <kAlug> pa_6328: Specifically for each app? I guess not.
09:01:56 <pa_6328> OK So I think I will have to look in your newsletter
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12:50:53 <CruelC> 0hai
12:51:15 <CruelC> PortableAppZ seems to have trademarked the wrong color of the arrow :@
12:53:18 <CruelC> it's LAME! Whenever search for portable software leads to PA@BSC, it ENRAGES me
12:56:05 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :(
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13:32:01 <CruelC> that PA@BSC is a turd on a curb
13:32:45 <CruelC> I bet that guy is semi-related with Microsoft and their attempts to grab and destroy everything o-src
13:33:55 <CruelC> Ballmer vowed to hire Mozilla one-by-one
13:38:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> He also distributes cracked payware... :@
13:42:32 <CruelC> :@ is an Opera smiley for "angry". It's quite rarely recognized by smiley interpreters. :.:.:
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14:08:36 <CruelC> PA@BSC is a turd on a curb, WPP is wacky garbage
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14:10:07 <CruelC> Why the hellbell doesn't BSC kick that butthat?
14:10:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> CruelC: What's wrong with winPenPack?
14:11:22 <CruelC> WPmenu is worsened derivative of ASuite, and the "portabilizer" is a wry thing.
14:11:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK.
14:12:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I use X-LibreOffcie and Pale Moon Portable and am happy with them. :)
14:12:49 <CruelC> plus they don't use a pre-extension to distinguish their package.
14:13:13 <CruelC> *.wpp.zip
14:13:27 <CruelC> like PAC has *.PAF.exe
14:14:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The filenames do have the "X-" prefix.
14:14:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> For example, X-LibreOffice_3.4.0_rev6.zip
14:14:30 <CruelC> Prefixes are not workable in the "open" dialog
14:16:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That doesn't matter to me. I use PStart instead of PA.c Menu or WPP Net Menu.
14:16:03 <CruelC> thus, technically, packet manager of PAC is superior to WPP. WPP's only advantage is "lib" for shared stuff, making the "suite" slightly more compact
14:16:51 <CruelC> if you are using WPmenu to install X-software, the result is more compact
14:18:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm such a geek that I can make things more compact myself (NTFS junctions, etc). 8-)
14:18:24 <CruelC> ASuite was an attempt to build an o-src launcher, compatible with PStart. WPmenu is a derivative of ASuite.
14:19:21 <CruelC> it's ASuite with a huge "WINPENPACK" sign, and a module for installing X-software
14:20:53 <TPFC-SYSTEM> WinPenPack Net Menu depends on the .NET Framework. :( Given how much launhcers are going to be used, I find that unacceptable.
14:21:32 <CruelC> Does AS use .NF?
14:21:42 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No.
14:22:02 <CruelC> its just the installer tidbit that depends on .NF then. :@
14:22:57 <CruelC> Can install using WPMenu to keep it compact, then use AS/PS/launchy or a plaintext BAT menu
14:23:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> They actually rewrote the whole menu.
14:23:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?47178.0#post_47179
14:23:43 <CruelC> so what's left of ASuite is just the settings thing? or it's only visually identical?
14:24:27 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know the details.
14:24:50 <CruelC> but settings window looks almost identical to that of latest ASuite.
14:25:22 <CruelC> Hint: not to install Pstart with installer, download the u3p and treat it as a .7z
14:26:14 <CruelC> requires 7za (included with PAmenu)
14:26:33 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Why? The installer supports portable install.
14:27:24 <CruelC> installer itself is troublesome.
14:28:09 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK
14:28:56 <CruelC> u3p format is just masked 7z, anyway. Just assigning it to 7zip works.
14:29:30 <CruelC> also, I don't use the icons supplied with Pstart. So I just grab the exe and configure from scratch
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14:50:02 <CruelC> Is it OK to use Pstart yet add PACupd to it?
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14:51:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> IDK
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15:12:08 <CruelC> Google seems to have found the /custom and banned everyone from it, just because /custom can be used to avoid google's bad new "features"
15:12:34 <CruelC> Seems it's due to me posting about google.com/custom on google's help forum
15:13:55 <CruelC> they even set up a 403 on custom for HMA
15:14:45 <CruelC> they couldn't uninstall Custom yet, that'd require too much refunding. So they are just nailing the service down using the "automated queries" error
15:15:24 <CruelC> that's how snappy Google is about the workarounds
15:15:48 <kAlug__> ChrisMorgan: Is there any other guidelines for documenting PAL, like the ones you told me before (http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-06-22#T02-07-45)?
15:17:28 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug__: Document Everything. Make Release Notes for Everything. Do it Well. Make Me Happy. Make the End User (or as the case may be, the Portable App Developer) Happier.
15:17:41 <ChrisMorgan> Viz, not officially.
15:17:46 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight, I'm off to bed now.
15:21:30 <kAlug__> Good night, and I hope you've done well in your exam. Gotta go home now.
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15:32:50 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
15:39:29 <CruelC> PAC should buy PortableAppZ.com, SEO the h3ll out of it and place a statement that PortableAppZ on Blogspot is garbage.
15:41:13 <CruelC> :@ crackware with PAC... up the...
15:41:36 <CruelC> All cr@cks are malware!
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15:43:11 * CruelC HATES PA@BSC! It's a blue turd!!!!!
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15:48:40 <pa_9986> Anyone here have a clean testing environment?
15:49:04 <CruelC> Not me. :(
15:50:10 <CruelC> :@ seems like spending too much time outdoors in the evening is spoiling me.
15:51:00 <CruelC> I started listening to music I'd never listen before. :@
15:51:35 <pa_9986> CruelC: Well, do you have C++ runtimes or Directx? (Don't install them, I'm just asking)
15:52:18 <CruelC> IDK if I have MSVC++ Runtime, I have DX OBVIOUSLY! I'm a gamer!
15:52:46 <CruelC> :.:.:
15:54:10 <CruelC> ..:..
15:54:26 <CruelC> :.:.:
15:54:26 <CruelC> :...:
15:55:38 <CruelC> only C#, not C++
15:56:11 <CruelC> Why did ya ask, pa_9986?
15:56:32 <pa_9986> Becuase I have an app I portabalized, I need to test if I portabilized the runtimes
15:56:55 <pa_9986> Dx isnt much to worry about, but the runtimes are
15:57:09 <pa_9986> http://portableapps.com/node/28262
15:57:14 <pa_9986> Just tell me if that works...
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15:58:56 <CruelC> may take years to dl
16:01:19 <CruelC> I'm not carrying PAC on a stick, I just use PACed software locally - to keep some o-src programs handy without adding load to registry/appdata
16:02:50 <CruelC> plus Firefox often fails to share on Facebook, then I use Opera
16:02:58 <CruelC> I keep that Opera as a PAC
16:04:22 <pa_9986> I'm not worried about stick...lets just see if you can get the program to run :)
16:06:35 <CruelC> Dl'ing runtimes - they're 5mb (!)
16:07:06 <CruelC> not much of a trouble - the user can just ask the host to install the runtimes from Microsoft
16:07:31 <CruelC> DX takes longer to dl!
16:07:55 <pa_9986> NO RUNTIMES
16:08:03 <pa_9986> I'm trying to portabilize them
16:08:21 <pa_9986> If you have them I cant test my portablization...
16:08:26 <CruelC> installer says I got runtimes already
16:08:43 <CruelC> can uninstall with installer
16:09:02 <pa_9986> C++ 2008 runtimes? Yeah, go ahead...need to test this
16:09:41 <CruelC> erm, can't uninstall, drivers depend on it. oh, it's 2010 ones
16:10:32 <CruelC> I have C++ 2010 installed, drivers depend on it
16:10:36 <pa_9986> ok
16:10:47 <pa_9986> Just test anyway I guess. JIC
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16:11:31 <ezelboy1000> hi
16:13:32 <ezelboy1000> I've got a problem I created a app but I can't see i in the portable apps menu :S
16:14:07 <CruelC> seems to run with 2010, though in OGL mode.
16:14:20 <CruelC> not my kind of game.
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16:15:04 <pa_9986> OGL mode was forced for compatabilty. It can allow Dx on a per-user basis
16:15:38 <CruelC> pa_9986, first ask if the person is an action gamer.
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16:16:10 <CruelC> should've asked "any action gamers with a clean testing enviromment?"
16:17:46 <pa_9986> It isnt action game...at least I dont think thats what it was :D
16:17:46 <CruelC> :@
16:18:17 <CruelC> you turn around with mouse, walk with WASD, attack with lmb... pure action game
16:18:29 <pa_9986> meh.
16:18:39 <pa_9986> But you got it running then?
16:18:50 <CruelC> yup, entered tutorial
16:19:41 <CruelC> and tutorial got me straight to "WHAT THE HELL DID I WASTE TRAFFIC ON?" thought.
16:20:04 <CruelC> :@ </3
16:20:38 <pa_9986> Well, sorry :( Wasnt asking if you liked it, I have enough people for that...I needed technical help..my comp is loaded with so many Runtimes and SDKs I dont know which is actually required
16:20:58 <pa_9986> But you got it to run portably, which is better than yesterday
16:21:37 <CruelC> unsure of portably, I didn't do things that would've left traces
16:22:06 <CruelC> I entered tutorial, didn't even complete it, quit ragingly
16:23:01 <pa_9986> I know files and registry are fine, I wrote the program
16:23:21 <pa_9986> It's just that it needed runtimes and stuff yesterday/
16:23:59 <CruelC> IDK if it asked for runtimes, or used a 2010 I have
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16:24:27 <CruelC> might be it just used the 2010 instead of the runtimes inside
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16:30:12 <CruelC> tutorial was action, actual gameplay was a diabloid
16:30:26 <CruelC> :@
16:30:35 <CruelC> plus I had gfx issues
16:30:52 <CruelC> trees changing between totally black and blinding white
16:31:16 <CruelC> so PACing IT is not a good idea, I think.
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16:45:33 <Einder> Hello
16:46:26 <kAlug> Hi Einder
16:47:14 <Einder> I was curious if anyone was available who could help with creating some portableapps..I got the programs needed but don't really know the first thing about using them
16:48:48 <kAlug> Well, I can try to help you. What tools did you already downloaded?
16:49:27 <Einder> portable compactor, portable launcher, NSIS Ansi, NSIS Unicode
16:50:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Which applications do you want to portablize?
16:51:41 <Einder> I have one called Ccleaner, one called Speccy, and another from the same company called Defraggle
16:53:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> They're all natively portable. :) That makes things much easier.
16:54:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Is it important to get them into the PAF format?
16:54:46 <Einder> more conveince than important
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16:57:12 <Einder> hello Tritonio
17:01:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Einder: OK. Here is the PortableApps.com Format specification: http://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format
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17:02:52 <Einder> ty
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17:25:50 <Einder> binary and configuration files..are those just the .dll?
17:31:41 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Configuration: ccleaner.ini, binary: everything else.
17:33:15 <Einder> so basically dump everything not in the resources folder into the app folder?
17:40:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you mean by "the resources folder"? At least CCleaner doesn't have such a folder.
17:48:09 <Einder> I'm showing that it does..hmm..let me see something
17:51:41 <Einder> sorry it's not CCleaner that I have, it's FCleaner
17:55:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4392
17:55:52 <TPFC-SYSTEM> FCleaner is natively portable as well but leaves traces in the registry.
17:58:13 <Einder> I realized that, but got rid of it and got CCleaner..though all I have besides the CCleaner.exe and Unis.exe is a bunch of .dll's..forgive me if I'm bugging you..I don't know much about the computer programming aspect of things
18:01:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Have you downloaded the portable version?
18:01:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
18:02:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> CCleaner.exe
18:02:42 <TPFC-SYSTEM> CCleaner64.exe
18:02:44 <TPFC-SYSTEM> lang
18:02:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> License.txt
18:02:47 <TPFC-SYSTEM> portable.dat
18:02:54 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That's what you should have.
18:03:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> At the first run, CCleaner generates ccleaner.ini where it stores its settings.
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18:12:07 <Einder> I'm getting it now..though I'm honestly lost in sauce like a meatball atm
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18:17:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, you don't need to try too hard. :) App\AppInfo\appinfo.ini, alone, makes the PortableApps.com Menu think that the app is in the PAF format.
18:19:49 <Einder> that's...extremly easy lol..I do have a question though..from this simple walkthrough you really don't need NSIS..so what is that actually used for?
18:21:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> AFAIK, PortableApps.com Launcher has been written in NSIS.
18:33:05 <Einder> well..I don't know what I'm doing and can't get it to work as a normal portableapp...so I'll just do it the way I've been doing it since they really aren't that big and just drop them in the portableapps folder and hide the icons I don't need that pop up
18:36:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :/
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21:10:17 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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21:38:12 <pa_3737> thought you may be interested in this
21:38:14 <pa_3737> http://cgi.ebay.com/Portable-Windows-Apps-Computer-USB-Flash-Drive-Software-/250840783700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67469b54
21:38:27 <pa_3737> they are selling Portable Apps on Ebay
21:39:29 <pa_3737> as in selling your free program
21:39:46 <pa_3737> Hope you nail em
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23:57:23 <pa_3645> Hi
23:57:39 <pa_3645> Hello there!
23:57:58 <pa_3645> I tried installing portable skype but it failed... any idea why?
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